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Sounds like I'm the only one who liked "Amonia Avenue"?

OK, maybe not the whole album but songs like "Don't Answer Me".
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I loved the album, its one of their best. Title track is great
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Are you both joking? What is good is "The fall of the house of Usher" from Tales...

And the beggining of Pyramid.



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I guess its an aquired taste...
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Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Are you both joking? What is good is "The fall of the house of Usher" from Tales...

And the beggining of Pyramid.

My favoirite track doesn't come from my favorite album which is Tales ..., my favorite song is "In the Lap of the Gods" from Pyramids, one of the most wonderful orchestral work, the point where the Rock song turn into an almost symphopnic work withs a full Orchestra conducted and arranged by Andrew Powell is outstanding, the  echoes of the ancient Egypt add more mystery.

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Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Are you both joking? What is good is "The fall of the house of Usher" from Tales...

And the beggining of Pyramid.

I said I liked Amonia Avenue. I didn't say it was their best work... or even my favourite for that matter.

 

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My favourite album is the concept double album "Freudiana". Very, very, very, very underrated and forgotten.

 
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Are you both joking? What is good is "The fall of the house of Usher" from Tales... And the beggining of Pyramid.


My favoirite track doesn't come from my favorite album which is Tales ..., my favorite song is "In the Lap of the Gods" from Pyramids, one of the most wonderful orchestral work, the point where the Rock song turn into an almost symphopnic work withs a full Orchestra conducted and arranged by Andrew Powell is outstanding, the echoes of the ancient Egypt add more mystery.


Iván



Indeed, i like it a lot too, and is one of the pieces which introduced me to prog when i was 12!
The "pyramid" concept is probably inspired by PF/DSOTM.
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Has anyone got the new album "A valid Path" Is it good? I only heard "Return to Tunguska" & I liked that track.
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I've listened to Tales of Mystery and Imagination, I really think it's charming, especially the first half - in this case I don't really like the orchestral turn this album takes. Maybe not true prog but no doubt prog related. I'd rate the album 7/10. And of course The Raven is the best song! Big smile
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Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by Guests Guests wrote:

OMG, surely they aren't prog..................i've got most of their albums and prog ain't anywhere in sight. However as i've stated before a lot of crap in here is being blessed as prog...god forgive them..or whatever.

I don't really think of The Alan Parsons Project as prog.

But I like his work so what's the difference?



Their are not prog to you, but they were considered prog in the seventies, eighties and nineties (And nowadays too). The same thing goes with supertramp, for example.

In my opinion it is useless to change the defiition of what is prog and what is not. I think those new criterias should be applied to the new bands.

In early seventies, Funkadelic, Parliament were funk. Nowadays funk is something like rap. This doens´t cause Funkadelic or Parliament to not being funk.

Just my thoughts about thiese questions.
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Originally posted by akin akin wrote:



Their are not prog to you, but they were considered prog in the seventies, eighties and nineties (And nowadays too). The same thing goes with supertramp, for example.
 
First Akin, don't worry replying when you fiind the word guest as username, most probably was a throll benned from Prog Archives and we can expect anything from trolls.
 
Now, I partially disagree with you, IMO Alan Parsons Project was prog only at the beginning of his career:
 
  1. Tales of Mystery and Imagination: That was his best album, 100% Symphonic, imaginative and very complex.
  2. I Robot: More oriented towards Pink Floyd meets Vangelis, somehow electronic and spacey, but still great album.
  3. Pyramania: One of my favorite releases, In the Lap of The Gods and What Goes Up are wonderfull, here you can discover who was the soul of APP and hhis name is Andrew Powel, his Orchestral Arrabngements are simply spectacular.

Eve is a 100% POP album, despite the pompous and good (only for Powell's arrangements) Damn if I do and the solid  Lucifer, the album suchks, if oit wasn't for those two tracks this record would be now working as a coaster in my house.

The 80's were terrible, nobody in his right mind would ever consider Alan Parson's Project Prog. The Turn ogf the Friendly Card was sklightly better than Evve, (But still very poppy), and then everything goes downhill, reaching the peak of popularity with Eye in the Sky.
 
There's something I must say about APP, all the albums are good (even when most not prog) but the impeccable production always saved the day, listening the great quality of recording was always a pleassure.
 
In the 90's they only released Freudiana in 1990, Erik Wolfson leaved if I'm not wrong and Alan Parson's Project DISBANDED.
 
What you can listen noiw is the Alan Parson's Band, who plays his old songs, but in the 89's there was no APP anymore.
 

In my opinion it is useless to change the defiition of what is prog and what is not. I think those new criterias should be applied to the new bands.
 
Why??? Anybody saying that We Can't Dance is Prog is really out of his mind, Genesis ceased breing Prog after W&W (Some nbelieve after Duke, I don't), Alan Parsons Project ceased beimg Prog (except for some disperse songs) after Pyramids.

In early seventies, Funkadelic, Parliament were funk. Nowadays funk is something like rap. This doens´t cause Funkadelic or Parliament to not being funk.
 
There are no Prog or Funk bands, ther are bands that play Prog amnd bands that play Funk. A band may be playing Prog today and tomorrow just bland ballads.

Just my thoughts about thiese questions.

Exactly as in my case.

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my one and only alan parsons album, a masterpiece!  i really can't say why i couldn't get on with the others, they just weren't the same.....?
 
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Originally posted by darren darren wrote:

Sounds like I'm the only one who liked "Amonia Avenue"?

OK, maybe not the whole album but songs like "Don't Answer Me".

 
I like the whole album Big smile
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by akin akin wrote:



Their are not prog to you, but they were considered prog in the seventies, eighties and nineties (And nowadays too). The same thing goes with supertramp, for example.
 
First Akin, don't worry replying when you fiind the word guest as username, most probably was a throll benned from Prog Archives and we can expect anything from trolls.
 
Now, I partially disagree with you, IMO Alan Parsons Project was prog only at the beginning of his career:
 
  1. Tales of Mystery and Imagination: That was his best album, 100% Symphonic, imaginative and very complex.
  2. I Robot: More oriented towards Pink Floyd meets Vangelis, somehow electronic and spacey, but still great album.
  3. Pyramania: One of my favorite releases, In the Lap of The Gods and What Goes Up are wonderfull, here you can discover who was the soul of APP and hhis name is Andrew Powel, his Orchestral Arrabngements are simply spectacular.

Eve is a 100% POP album, despite the pompous and good (only for Powell's arrangements) Damn if I do and the solid  Lucifer, the album suchks, if oit wasn't for those two tracks this record would be now working as a coaster in my house.

The 80's were terrible, nobody in his right mind would ever consider Alan Parson's Project Prog. The Turn ogf the Friendly Card was sklightly better than Evve, (But still very poppy), and then everything goes downhill, reaching the peak of popularity with Eye in the Sky.
 
There's something I must say about APP, all the albums are good (even when most not prog) but the impeccable production always saved the day, listening the great quality of recording was always a pleassure.
 
In the 90's they only released Freudiana in 1990, Erik Wolfson leaved if I'm not wrong and Alan Parson's Project DISBANDED.
 
What you can listen noiw is the Alan Parson's Band, who plays his old songs, but in the 89's there was no APP anymore.

I know and I agree that Ammonia Avenue and Eye in the Sky, for example, are far from being prog. I would include Turn of the Friendly Card to prog list. Anyway, It is different to say that the whole career of the band wasn't prog and that some albums are not prog. The band is recognized as a prog acted (at least for a good part of their career), but sometimes they are low regarded, while the newer bands release only two progressive albums and became incontestable prog bands.
 
In my opinion it is useless to change the defiition of what is prog and what is not. I think those new criterias should be applied to the new bands.
 
Why??? Anybody saying that We Can't Dance is Prog is really out of his mind, Genesis ceased breing Prog after W&W (Some nbelieve after Duke, I don't), Alan Parsons Project ceased beimg Prog (except for some disperse songs) after Pyramids.

I agree with you, because I consider Genesis prog up to And Then We Were Three. Friends of mine think they are prog up to We Can't Dance, but this is not a rational judgement (as far as I'm concerned they own copies of the same Genesis albums from different locations, and they do this only with Genesis). The fact they have 5 or more rock-pop albuns spread in 15 years career don't prevent them to be recognized as one of the most important prog rock bands ever. Why that? Because of their importance in the seventies. Same thought should be applied to Alan Parsons Project (they were a well regarded prog band in the seventies).

In early seventies, Funkadelic, Parliament were funk. Nowadays funk is something like rap. This doens´t cause Funkadelic or Parliament to not being funk.
 
There are no Prog or Funk bands, ther are bands that play Prog amnd bands that play Funk. A band may be playing Prog today and tomorrow just bland ballads.

Yes, genres are applied to songs, books, paintings, not the authors themselves. But what I was really trying to say is that you can't deny that Parliament music on albums such as Mothership Connection and Funkentelechi vs The Placebo Syndrome or Funkadelic's Maggot Brain, Standing on the verge of Getting it On, etc are not funk. Even if funk nowadays is used to describe some kind of rap (like the ridiculous Brazilian Funk from nowadays). To me, the same goes with prog. If some think prog is only different signature changes, ok, but this doesn't disqualifyAlan Parsons works (up to 80)  as prog. So APP must be considered prog, at least part of their career.

Just my thoughts about thiese questions.

Exactly as in my case.

Iván

Overall, we share the same thoughts. I just think sometimes seems that some people want to define prog "as their holy own view" and forget that prog rock was defined nearly 35 years ago as a common sense, not the taste of one or two persons.
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To my warning the APP\ APB is not a true Prog band. You are a band of "False Prog" because plat a POP one that has such Symphonic arrangiaments (or Prog atmospheres) that Prog becomes. This sub genre includes also ELO, for example.
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I Robot is a great inside out(experienced?) album, start to finish. Scared of the voice there in your mind, its been awhile since you've been aware, someone is watchin' you......something like that
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I have Tales of Mystery and Imagination on mp3. Really good album!
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