SR V: To boldly go where no room has gone before

moreitsythanyou wrote: Any genre with "Nu" in it is automatically bad. Therefore Nu-Prog is not a genre. Crossover is a good one though and a suitable home for Coheed.

True. It's better than Coheed being in PR at least.

That's always a good idea... I did the same with some other albums, which had been rated way too low by the (very few) reviewers. 

What's up, Mike?


Edited by birdwithteeth11 - May 28 2009 at 19:20

I really should have. They had a show in Columbus and that's only about 2 hours away.

I had a friend who went to the one last night though and apparently Enslaved opened for them. I've heard some good things about that band and I should probably check them out sometime. Did they open at your show too?

Oh, and what was the setlist?

What happened about the Nu-Jazz genre?  It got cleared a while back.

Was that supposed to be a question, Rob?

I've never read Plato.  I don't know Greek.  So therefore, I have no clue.

James wrote: Was that supposed to be a question, Rob? I've never read Plato.  I don't know Greek.  So therefore, I have no clue.

No, it was a rant

The question mark deficiency was because the question was so rhetorical it didn't want one... I've just come across the fantastic sentence

'ἀπιστῶ μέν [σοι] ἔγωγε, ἦ δ᾽ ὃς ὁ Σιμμίας, οὔ'

They're talking about the memory-by-recollection argument, which isn't very good anyway, and Socrates has just asked if Simmias apisteis - disbelieves or doesn't trust the argument.

This particular gem has the very emphatic egoge (generally rendered 'I, for one', it's a very emphatic way of saying 'I', and 'men', which usually is the first part of a two part clause... on the one hand, on the other and so forth... so, of course, if you read the first half of the thing:

'I for one certainly don't believe [you/this argument],' said Simmias,

And it doesn't help that the 'said Simmias' is very illogically done, with both hos and ho (which are the same thing anyway, it'd be like 'he Simmias said' or something, and I haven't seen it done like that much at all elsewhere. It's done like that exclusively to make the 'he said' bit longer, I'm convinced...

So, so far we have 'I for one certainly don't believe [you],' said Simmias,

and then 'ouk', which ends up with

'I for one certainly don't believe [you],' said Simmias, 'NOT!'

Meaning, 'I don't disbelieve [you],' said Simmias.

So, essentially, Plato has just pulled a Borat-esque joke on his readers, which is clouding his philosophical arguments, defying logical sense and generally being very irritating. I suppose I could also mention that the 'de' in 'e d'os' could be perceived as picking up the 'men' in the first half, but that'd detract from the point.

I mean, Plato, it's not funny, it's not clever, cut it out!

So, yes, that rant might give you an idea of what I mean. There's also a bit where he messes around with Greek word order and regularities just to give you second thoughts as to who's speaking for about five seconds... great. And it's irritating because on occasion he writes really nice Greek.

TGM: Orb wrote: I mean, Plato, it's not funny, it's not clever, cut it out!

Plato = dead for 2500 years

Also, read translations.

James wrote: Well Hos are just like a Ho, only there's more of them and if you're that way inclined; likely more fun.  I'm still confused as to what you're getting at.

Well, yes, but if you've already said hos, you don't need to say ho, it's very silly.

Essentially, his sentence revolves around a delayed 'not'.

As in, for instance, 'discussing Plato is for cool people - NOT!'

Now, it being narrative, Plato can throw a 'he said' in the middle, and he does so with the longest and most utterly silly way he can.

So, we have.

'Discussing Plato is for cool people,' he said, '- NOT!'

as

'I, for one, certainly don't believe [you],' said Simmias, '- not.'

Greek is fantastic for this sort of douchebaggery: there's oukoun, which means 'not' or 'therefore' depending on where the accent is.

stonebeard wrote: TGM: Orb wrote: I mean, Plato, it's not funny, it's not clever, cut it out! Plato = dead for 2500 years Also, read translations.

He is?!

/stock sarcasm

Eh, translations suck (well, sort of, they help me read things I otherwise wouldn't, but that's not the point)... the Phaedo translations I've read (in part, mainly, read the penguin in whole) tend to insist on playing up their perceptions of Socrates and consequently embellish, misrepresent or generate content to fit them rather than acting fully professionally. To be fair, Plato's difficult to render because of the Greek technical terms which don't always correlate to obvious English ones, and there are times when he's just so non-specific it causes translators to second-guess what he means rather than just leave the literal rendition.

Plus, this is my domain of nerdship