Vinyl

^Purity for me is the music and only the music ie: audiophile'ish. My Brand X LP is 'Pristine' and absolutely surface noise free. That's what daddy wants !


Edited by JD - April 04 2023 at 10:54

David_D wrote: I prophesy disaster wrote: Especially if the reason you're buying vinyl is because you have superhuman hearing that can detect the 16 bit 44.1 kHz limitations of CD music.  How much experience do you have with listening to all-analog productions, Prophesy?

I prophesy disaster wrote: As a result of my own experience with both vinyl and CDs, I find it quite perplexing that anyone would prefer vinyl over CDs in general.

JD wrote: Cosmiclawnmower wrote: Catcher10 wrote: JD wrote: IMAGES REMOVED FOR SPACE I have records with that pressing defect. But generally does not impede the sound much. Sorry to jump into your thread guys- when i used to import a lot of US/ Canadian pressings i was under the impression that a lot of the visible 'textural' differences visible in US pressings were due to a difference in the manufacturing process; something to do with the temperature of the water used for cooling post-pressing and that it does not make much difference (if any) to the sound quality but put off lots of people in the European market. I had quite a lot of people either complaining or just concerned as they could see these surface 'defects' and i have always been at pains to point the fact that it doesnt generally affect the play-back. European and UK pressings had some pretty dodgy batches of vinyl during the 70's and used a fair amount of re-cycled material when needed.. but overall the consensus of opinion during the 70's and 80's (correct or not) was Best- Japan, next- Germany, next- Europe/ UK and Canada, then- USA and last- other Asian countries and Communist countries. Ive found over the years, lots of examples that de-bunk all that but it does seem that was how it was seen over here. About 25% of my collection is US pressings and overall they are easily comparable to what was available to elsewhere in the world. Now, Sleeves... thats another matter.. I've spent the better part of the last 40 years in plastics and injection moulding. This is NOT a defect you want, on any product. In this particular case the defect presents itself as loud crackling/static like distortion. Like walking on dried leaves. And believe me, this album is clean. It's been both US'icly and manually deep groove cleaned...to no effect. These are in the surface, stresses from most likely, as mentioned above, poor cooling cycle and/or out of spec materials. This is the worse one I've ever seen. Thanks for chiming in John.

usually frequencies below the 20k range have to do with the transient response or attack in the music. This becomes pretty subjective in music listening in general because many of us listen differently or have perceptual differences in what we hear or look for in music.

Vinyl or CD? When it comes down to a certain frequency range say something like a 24/192k recording as opposed to a standard red book offering differences in fidelity can be heard depending on the nature of that recording in general.
My overall experience I have to say that more vinyl recordings sound more warm and inviting than CD recordings because of the mastering process mainly. However when it comes to DVD or Blu ray audio this is where overall fidelity and the sense of realism this is the medium that runs away with audio quality and leaves every other medium in the dust, especially 5.1 LPCM mixes.

Let us use an example. Let’s take the new boxset of “A turn of a friendly card” from Alan Parsons.

If you were to take your most vivid pair of headphones and compare the CD (remastered) the Vinyl (remastered) and of course the blu ray audio 5.1 remix you’ll be amazed at the differences and I sight this example because Alan Parsons doesn’t f**k around because he maximizes the full potential of each medium and you can clearly hear the differences!
Another important variable to note is playback!
Many of us don’t have the means to have an elite system to playback all these different medium sources to there grandest and fullest, so many are stuck thinking one is truly better than the other when it comes to vinyl v.s CD.
So far in my experience. Vinyl is usually better sounding than cd, but the blu ray audio done correctly is the major winner. This is just me though. A general experience. Not right or wrong. Just a guy who loves all music and all mediums because they still all have their place and value in our audio worlds. Playback is everything though. Pick a medium and specialize in it.

I hope I didn’t offend anyone with my general experiences, especially since we mainly should be talking strictly vinyl here. I don’t want to fall under any traps saying one is better than the other but based on personal experience distinctions in fidelity can be made. ;)

progbethyname wrote: When it comes down to a certain frequency range say something like a 24/192k recording as opposed to a standard red book offering differences in fidelity can be heard depending on the nature of that recording in general.

Edited by I prophesy disaster - April 08 2023 at 10:51

Catcher10 wrote: This whole website is about subjectivity….objectivity is non existent. It’s a site about art, musical art.

Edited by JD - April 09 2023 at 11:30