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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Can anybody tell regarding the new/newer reissues of older analog Prog recordings if there's always some digital processing
involved or some are made as pure analog reissues?
It depends on the artist and who is reissuing. I think for the most part they are all from digital copies, cut from a 24bit hirez file. Keep in mind some of these older recordings from the very early 70's the master tapes are either lost or don't exist anymore and in some cases are in really bad shape.
You can usually check the version on Discogs and find out. For sure 100% of new recordings are all digital. The key is mastering for vinyl and not just some lazy digital copy.

I can surely recommend Mercury's 2021-reissue of De De Lind's Io Non So Da...The sound quality is good and the quality of the gatefold cover is amazingly good and cool. In fact, I have only a couple of LP's with the covers as superb as that, and these are the Japanese East Wind's Direct Cutting releases from the '70s - btw with very good sound quality as well. Thumbs Up
The only thing I could wish different with this Mercury reissue is a thinner, less heavy vinyl.
On Discogs the 2021 reissue is mentioning remastered from original analog tapes, so its why you feel the sound is good.
Seems this band only had one release in 1972 so I am sure the tapes are in very good condition.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

I can surely recommend Mercury's 2021-reissue of De De Lind's Io Non So Da...The sound quality is good and the quality of the gatefold cover is amazingly good and cool. In fact, I have only a couple of LP's with the covers as superb as that, and these are the Japanese East Wind's Direct Cutting releases from the '70s - btw with very good sound quality as well. Thumbs Up
The only thing I could wish different with this Mercury reissue is a thinner, less heavy vinyl.
On Discogs the 2021 reissue is mentioning remastered from original analog tapes, so its why you feel the sound is good.
Seems this band only had one release in 1972 so I am sure the tapes are in very good condition.

And considering, it's 900 copies limited edition costing about 30 Euros, it can't be said this release is expensive. 


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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

On Discogs the 2021 reissue is mentioning remastered from original analog tapes, so its why you feel the sound is good.
Seems this band only had one release in 1972 so I am sure the tapes are in very good condition.

Mastering from the original analog tapes is of course good, but when done today, isn't it always first converted to digital file?

And how about the '90s-reissues in my Jazz collection which were also mastered from the original analog tapes?


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^They certainly don't HAVE to be digitized first. If the master tapes are solid then that's always an option. I think it's more that the big record companies went on a digitizing binge to preserve their product for future use. It can be very expensive to maintain master tapes in prime condition over decades.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

^For those who love money more than music. Wacko


But that kind of thoughts are also a comfort for us when we today have to pay a lot of money for some records.



You know something my friend.

Don’t feel bad. You’re in good company. Everything is a bloody luxury item these days. Everything has a hefty cost revolving around any special interest.

I paid 81$ CAN for Riverside’s I.D Entity blu ray media book edition.
CDs aren’t cheap either, especially the boxsets.

It is the toughest it has ever been. I’m incredibly selective when I buy something now. It must have lasting appeal.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

On Discogs the 2021 reissue is mentioning remastered from original analog tapes, so its why you feel the sound is good.
Seems this band only had one release in 1972 so I am sure the tapes are in very good condition.

Mastering from the original analog tapes is of course good, but when done today, isn't it always first converted to digital file?

And how about the '90s-reissues in my Jazz collection which were also mastered from the original analog tapes?
It's all in the wording as we found out during the MoFi scandal.....I can only repeat what is in Discogs and looks to be on the hype sticker which says original tapes. Not all labels are 100% transparent on the source material.

Your BlueNote 1997 issues were a small run of Top Ten Series, I believe they were cut from original analog source, but the mastering engineer was not the same as what is being done now. Kevin Gray at Cohearant Audio is doing all the remastering and cutting and they are pressed at Optimal and RTI. I'm sure you can find a review comparison of both online somewhere........
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Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

I’m incredibly selective when I buy something now. It must have lasting appeal.

For the sake of environment, it doesn't sound that bad to me, and it's easy just to listen to something for free. I'm incredibly selective myself today, even it doesn't have so much to do with the high prices. Smile


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In the process for a new album what digital format is used initially before going to vinyl - WAV, FLAC, DSD? Just curious.
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Originally posted by Gentle and Giant Gentle and Giant wrote:

In the process for a new album what digital format is used initially before going to vinyl - WAV, FLAC, DSD? Just curious.
I don't think the major recording studios record to DSD, those are for some of the boutique studios like Octave Records. Then you have all the original tapes that belong to like Sony and others stored at Iron Mountain and are/have been copied to digital either 24bit or DSD.
I think most studios record and save to 32bit and then during mixdown and mastering are done to 24bit for SACD as well vinyl mastering. Then that 24bit file is down sampled to 16bit redbook for CDs. I've read most mastering/pressing plants prefer to receive WAV files 96 or 192khz at 24bit.
MoFi is mastering from DSD files, which are copies of the original master tapes, they don't get the tapes anymore. 
The artists we listen to on vinyl, I am sure all of that is being cut from a 24bit file and probably WAV. You can read about a lot of this on the GZ Media Vinyl website
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^ Thanks both, very interesting.
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So I made some changes to my setup, my gear has always sat on the top of this big screen projection TV that is no longer working. Pic below..


I gutted the TV, took off the screen and the 3 projection lenses inside, as I figured I could add shelves and move my gear "inside" the tv. Was not sure how it would turn out, so I just dived in! My goal was to move the preamp, CD player and phono preamp to make room for my reel to reel deck. I never cared for the R2R where it was....
I added some 18mm plywood as shelves, painted them black and I'm very pleased at the outcome, better than I expected. I need to get a backer board to complete the look, that will hide all the cables. As my wife said, recycle reuse........Oh and it sounds better too LOL


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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

On Discogs the 2021 reissue is mentioning remastered from original analog tapes, so its why you feel the sound is good.

Yes, the final mastering is important for the sound quality but so is recording for sure. All my experience with both LPs and CDs tells me that the quality of the recording is very important, and theoretically, you can't have better sound than the one which have been recorded.


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^^^Nicely done brother ! I love the reuse approach. Old TV cabinets are always a good bet.
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Now we've seen your whole system, Catcher, I want to tell about my loudspeakers which I bought 26 years ago, and which
are thus the oldest part of my present system, except from some cables. They are B&W Matrix 802 series 3, and I've 
been very pleased with them and still am maybe more than ever. They look like this:
                  


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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

On Discogs the 2021 reissue is mentioning remastered from original analog tapes, so its why you feel the sound is good.

Yes, the final mastering is important for the sound quality but so is recording for sure. All my experience with both LPs and CDs tells me that the quality of the recording is very important, and theoretically, you can't have better sound than the one which have been recorded.
Well no surprises...if the original recording is not done well everything else that we hear will certainly sound like krapp. You cannot change the "original" recording....for example the story of King Crimson and In the Court recording, where they claim the tape recorder heads were either a bit out of alignment or just bad, so the original recording could have ben better, but we will never know.
Steven Wilson did do some corrections and it sounds light years better than my original US LP version. As well some stories on the recording of JTull Aqualung.
I don't base any SQ reactions using CDs on 60s, 70s and 80s recordings since we have no idea on the source for pressing those CDs. 
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

So I made some changes to my setup, my gear has always sat on the top of this big screen projection TV that is no longer working. Pic below..


I gutted the TV, took off the screen and the 3 projection lenses inside, as I figured I could add shelves and move my gear "inside" the tv. Was not sure how it would turn out, so I just dived in! My goal was to move the preamp, CD player and phono preamp to make room for my reel to reel deck. I never cared for the R2R where it was....
I added some 18mm plywood as shelves, painted them black and I'm very pleased at the outcome, better than I expected. I need to get a backer board to complete the look, that will hide all the cables. As my wife said, recycle reuse........Oh and it sounds better too LOL





Looking good. I’ll be over soon.

So what is your favorite Reel to Reel tape you have? I’m guessing it is a jazz album. Also tell Geddy, Neil and Alex I say hi
Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣
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Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

So I made some changes to my setup, my gear has always sat on the top of this big screen projection TV that is no longer working. Pic below..


I gutted the TV, took off the screen and the 3 projection lenses inside, as I figured I could add shelves and move my gear "inside" the tv. Was not sure how it would turn out, so I just dived in! My goal was to move the preamp, CD player and phono preamp to make room for my reel to reel deck. I never cared for the R2R where it was....
I added some 18mm plywood as shelves, painted them black and I'm very pleased at the outcome, better than I expected. I need to get a backer board to complete the look, that will hide all the cables. As my wife said, recycle reuse........Oh and it sounds better too LOL





Looking good. I’ll be over soon.

So what is your favorite Reel to Reel tape you have? I’m guessing it is a jazz album. Also tell Geddy, Neil and Alex I say hi
Ha!! I have The Who~Holligans and Boston~Don't Look Back from the 80s I bought are very good. Not very many actually. I mainly use my R2R to dub records and make mix tapes.......I took it once to a bar as a friend of ours had a band and wanted me to record them on tape. I tried to use their mix board but was not working too well, so I switched to just two mics into the deck....Sounded ok considering it was a bar.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


Now we've seen your whole system, Catcher, I want to tell about my loudspeakers which I bought 26 years ago, and which
are thus the oldest part of my present system, except from some cables. They are B&W Matrix 802 series 3, and I've 
been very pleased with them and still am maybe more than ever. They look like this:
                  
Awesome David!!! B&W make excellent speakers, although my main issue with them is they have lower sensitivity ratings which only means you gotta feed them a lot of power. Maybe the older speakers are higher sensitivity....not sure.
Either way nice speakers!
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