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Joined: June 20 2012
Location: Oklahoma
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Points: 7951
Posted: November 10 2012 at 19:39
I don't think our differences break down into states or regions quite as neatly as it seems sometimes. It's more about the city one lives in, or one's circle of friends. Oklahoma is a very red state. It would be less so if Native Amercans had a stronger tendency to vote. If Oklahoma seceded from the Union, I don't think Native Americans would follow in lock step. Breaking up into States would not lead to an age of contentment. I doubt that breaking up by county would be much better either. Break up by gerrymandered district? mm...no these districts are drawn strategically to split up and make majority populations into minority ones. I love daydreaming too, but...
Joined: May 27 2005
Location: NE Indiana
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Points: 28057
Posted: November 11 2012 at 20:53
Mitch Daniels' book is so damn good. Almost gives me the faintest tingle of patriotism to be from Indiana....
Anybutt, the most stinging point he's made to me so far is that it's really odd that so many people condemn private enterprise. I'm not one to deify it, but it is weird given that basically all actual wealth comes from free enterprise. Reign in the cronies and polluters, sure, but to knock down the concept of market interaction is just goddamn stupid, no matter what party you belong to.
Joined: October 16 2006
Location: FL, USA
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Points: 17493
Posted: November 11 2012 at 23:29
Epignosis wrote:
The cover of Jet magazine has a picture of the President with this headline: "I am Legend: President Barack Obama."Appreciating the actual meaning of that literary title, I had to chuckle.
I'm pretty sure the author of that cover was much closer to Will Smith's than Richard Matheson's I Am Legend. In fact, I'm guessing he has never read the latter, but has seen the former (not the best adaptation of the novel, but not the worse either).
Joined: May 29 2006
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Posted: November 12 2012 at 07:47
The T wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
The cover of Jet magazine has a picture of the President with this headline: "I am Legend: President Barack Obama."Appreciating the actual meaning of that literary title, I had to chuckle.
I'm pretty sure the author of that cover was much closer to Will Smith's than Richard Matheson's I Am Legend. In fact, I'm guessing he has never read the latter, but has seen the former (not the best adaptation of the novel, but not the worse either).
Of the three movie adaptations of that book I have seen (I have not read it either, but I get the point of the title, unlike Jet Magazine) my favorite is The Last Man on Earth with Vincent Price. Why? Because Vincent Price, that's why.
Joined: October 16 2006
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Posted: November 12 2012 at 08:01
^I just saw it last Saturday for the first time and it is the best because of Vincent Price and because it somewhat teies to be faithful to the book (by the end it all fails but at least it's not so blatant). Will Smith‘s I am Legend is ok but has less relation to the book. Charlton Heston's The Omega Man is quite atrocious.
Joined: January 26 2008
Location: PA, USA
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Posted: November 12 2012 at 10:45
HackettFan wrote:
manofmystery wrote:
learnliberty.org is a such a great education resource. It's a great place to send people who have been or currently are being indoctrinated by the government school system.
Now, wasn't that easy to understand, all you patheticly ignorant statists
That's not about government control of corporations. It's about corporate control of government.
One in the same. The reason corporations bother to seek control over government is because government has given itself control over the market. Without the government regulatory apparatus corporations would have to compete, driving prices down by creating options. Contrary to statist propaganda, central planning does not improve the quality of items, either, as it allows a person/agency, that is infinitly slower to react to ever changing market demands, to establish a minimum quality standard that provides to incentive for improvement.
That's what happens when you put centrist corporatist Democrats in power to oversee regulation, not liberals/progressives. There's a difference. Sure corporatists will you use regulation as a favor granting system. It's the wrong people watching the hen house. Corporatist Democrats are like old time centrist Republicans, and like them they have no interest in the original justifications for regulation.
Do I really have to explain that we do not live in a fairy tale?
Even if you can create an system which locates, and installs, perfect human beings in positions of power generation after generation it would still be a system of institutional inequality. Equality can only exist as basic liberty. All attempts to balance out the results of human behavior (the pseudo-definition of equality all arguing for central planning seem to use) through a central middleman create inequality because in order to give to one group you must first take from another (this is corruption in and of itself).
“To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who (or whose fathers) have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."” - Thomas Jefferson
Now, even if one if fine with inequality these perfect regulators are impractical from a knowledge standpoint. Hayek explains this better than I do (the question is about socialism but his answer speaks to all central authorities):
Joined: April 29 2006
Location: Atlantais
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Posted: November 12 2012 at 13:58
Obama won re-election. It is up to us continue the fight. This country has come a long way but it is not over by a long shot. So you guys can continue the struggle against us....
Edited by Slartibartfast - November 12 2012 at 13:59
I'm reading David Frum's e-book "Why Romney Lost (And What the GOP Can Do About It)" - this guy is INCREDIBLY insightful. It should be required reading for every. single. Republican.
And just so you don't write it off - this guy has been a conservative for his entire life. He was one of George W. Bush's speech writers. He said of himself:
"I'm a conservative Republican, have been all my adult life. I volunteered for the Reagan campaign in 1980. I've attended every Republican convention since 1988. I was president of the Federalist Society chapter at my law school, worked on the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal and wrote speeches for President Bush—not the "Read My Lips" Bush, the "Axis of Evil" Bush. I served on the Giuliani campaign in 2008 and voted for John McCain in November. I supported the Iraq War and (although I feel kind of silly about it in retrospect) the impeachment of Bill Clinton. I could go on, but you get the idea."
I'm reading David Frum's e-book "Why Romney Lost (And What the GOP Can Do About It)" - this guy is INCREDIBLY insightful. It should be required reading for every. single. Republican.
Good thing I'm not a Republican.
dtguitarfan wrote:
And just so you don't write it off - this guy has been a conservative
for his entire life. He was one of George W. Bush's speech writers. He
said of himself:
"I'm a conservative Republican, have been all my adult life. I
volunteered for the Reagan campaign in 1980. I've attended every
Republican convention since 1988. I was president of the Federalist
Society chapter at my law school, worked on the editorial page of The
Wall Street Journal and wrote speeches for President Bush—not the "Read
My Lips" Bush, the "Axis of Evil" Bush. I served on the Giuliani
campaign in 2008 and voted for John McCain in November. I supported the
Iraq War and (although I feel kind of silly about it in retrospect) the
impeachment of Bill Clinton. I could go on, but you get the idea."
If he supported the Iraq War and President Bush, then he's probably not conservative.
Joined: February 03 2007
Location: The Heartland
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Posted: November 12 2012 at 15:36
dtguitarfan wrote:
I'm reading David Frum's e-book "Why Romney Lost (And What the GOP Can Do About It)" - this guy is INCREDIBLY insightful. It should be required reading for every. single. Republican.
And just so you don't write it off - this guy has been a conservative for his entire life. He was one of George W. Bush's speech writers. He said of himself:
"I'm a conservative Republican, have been all my adult life. I volunteered for the Reagan campaign in 1980. I've attended every Republican convention since 1988. I was president of the Federalist Society chapter at my law school, worked on the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal and wrote speeches for President Bush—not the "Read My Lips" Bush, the "Axis of Evil" Bush. I served on the Giuliani campaign in 2008 and voted for John McCain in November. I supported the Iraq War and (although I feel kind of silly about it in retrospect) the impeachment of Bill Clinton. I could go on, but you get the idea."
Thanks for all the advice, but the fact remains that Romney lost by a mere 400K votes total in 4 states, out of all the votes cast. If 200k people flip, he's president. It was not the big blowout it's being made out to be by the swooning, lovesick media.
You don't need to worry about Republicans, seriously, they'll be fine. Concentrate on helping Dems implement their disastrous agenda faster.
...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
I'm reading David Frum's e-book "Why Romney Lost (And What the GOP Can Do About It)" - this guy is INCREDIBLY insightful. It should be required reading for every. single. Republican.
And just so you don't write it off - this guy has been a conservative for his entire life. He was one of George W. Bush's speech writers. He said of himself:
"I'm a conservative Republican, have been all my adult life. I volunteered for the Reagan campaign in 1980. I've attended every Republican convention since 1988. I was president of the Federalist Society chapter at my law school, worked on the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal and wrote speeches for President Bush—not the "Read My Lips" Bush, the "Axis of Evil" Bush. I served on the Giuliani campaign in 2008 and voted for John McCain in November. I supported the Iraq War and (although I feel kind of silly about it in retrospect) the impeachment of Bill Clinton. I could go on, but you get the idea."
Thanks for all the advice, but the fact remains that Romney lost by a mere 400K votes total in 4 states, out of all the votes cast. If 200k people flip, he's president. It was not the big blowout it's being made out to be by the swooning, lovesick media. You don't need to worry about Republicans, seriously, they'll be fine. Concentrate on helping Dems implement their disastrous agenda faster.
HA HA HAHHAHAHAHA! No, this should have been a HAND OUT in this economy. The Republicans should have won this easily! And they lost - why? David Frum will tell you why - go read his book. I did it all today - it's a nice short one, only 3 chapters. Seriously - it will give you perspective and hope.
Joined: February 03 2007
Location: The Heartland
Status: Offline
Points: 17332
Posted: November 12 2012 at 16:32
Team O did well, very well, esp with the media, and Romney was just not that likable to many people. It's not shocking. Read some stuff not on the Huff Post reading list.
...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
BAAAH! Wrong. Denial - 1st stage of grief at work right there. Fox News, propaganda machine that they are, are the #1 cable news channel! The #1 newspaper is the Wall Street Journal, and is owned by the same guy who owns Fox News - it has a right-wing slant. The #1 talk radio show is Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity is #2, and Glenn Beck is #3. Yup, the liberal media won this for Obama...makes sooo much sense now, doesn't it....
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