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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote erik neuteboom Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 31 2007 at 09:25
Thanks Atkingani, I was on the brink of writing at about 100 reviews similar to those abovementioned but then I realised that this was a bit too cheap way to come closer to Sean Thumbs%20Up
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote laplace Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 31 2007 at 09:28
hrm, I don't see what's so wrong with my review. maybe it's a little iconoclastic but I described why I gave them such a poor rating. Ouch
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Well Laplace, my problem is not that you described why you gave them such a poor rating but the way you have done it: in general Mirage by Camel is considered as a strong effort and a wonderful symphonic prog album. Personally I love the great melodic lines, the emotion in Latimer his guitarplay, the dynamics in songs like Nimrodel and Lady Fantasy and the beatiful colouring by the vintage keyboards. Reading your review the Prog Archives visitor could get the idea that Camel is one of those amateur progrock bands that lack any creative ideas, plays too smooth and fail to keep the attention of the listener. That's contrary to the strong musical experience that Camel deliver with their album Mirage.... in  my opinion.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Easy Livin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 31 2007 at 12:02

That's not the reason for removing the review though Erik. There's no right and wrong with opinions on any album.

The challenge is greater to write a constructive review criticising an album, but as long as a critical review explains what is wrong with the album (in the reviewer's opinion) it is perfectly acceptable.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote erik neuteboom Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 31 2007 at 19:22
OK, thanks Easy Livin, what a challenge: instead of promoting lesser or unknown bands I focus on bands I don't like, I hope to blend creativity and venom, be prepared for a tidal flood of these kind of progrock reviews  Wink

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It's funny and 100% honest because I don't even know the band so anything I say ijust from the review (My commments about why I think must be deleted are in blue):
 
 
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Review by Turion (Patrick Soucy)
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1%20stars I sadly bought this album, thinking I was in for a treat. What a mistake... This band makes usual neo-prog music, (What the hell he expects from a band influenced by Marillion? If you read the bio it's clear) which is typically boring. (Sorry neo-prog fans :D) The whole thing sounds just like usual neo-prog,  (He has already said that before) which means the singer shouldn't be singing in the first place (Why shouldn't Neo Prog vocalist sing? What about Fish or Nick Barrett?)and there are lots of cheesy sounding keyboards. I don't know how someone can listen to this and not cringe, (Doesn't everybody has a taste?) because it sounds like a joke. (Why is it a joke?  Please explain) This music is really not serious; (Joke and not serious are synonymous in this case)  the songs are not good, (has said it three times already) they have no direction and the production is awful. This band is from my country too, (Who cares about this in the context it's written? This doesn´t give the guy more credibility) but I really shouldn't have supported them based only on this fact. Stay away from this one and go buy yourself some good music instead! (Only ranting and nothing else)
 
I believe this review is not remortely a review.
 
Not a word about the songs, structures or lyrics, just rants over and over, this is the same guy who made a review about SEBTP givoing one star and which was deleted.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ClemofNazareth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2007 at 07:06
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

That's not the reason for removing the review though Erik. There's no right and wrong with opinions on any album.



The challenge is greater to write a constructive review criticising an album, but as long as a critical review explains what is wrong with the album (in the reviewer's opinion) it is perfectly acceptable.



Why was it deleted then?
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It was still inapporiate.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote andu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2007 at 07:29
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

inapporiate



Could you define that, please? Big%20smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Easy Livin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2007 at 07:39
See the reviews guidelines.
 
I did not take a view on this specific review, as Atkingani had already dealt with it. My comments above we intended as a general response.


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Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

See the reviews guidelines.
 

I did not take a view on this specific review, as Atkingani had already dealt with it. My comments above we intended as a general response.



Atkingani,

Can you help me understand specifically which provision of the review guidelines Turion violated with his SEBTP review?
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LOLLOL

Oh if only that was the worst of it...


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Man Erg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2007 at 09:13
Did they change their name to the New Trolls?   

Should be certified

Edited by Man Erg - April 01 2007 at 09:16

Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Chris H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2007 at 09:13
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

LOLLOL

Oh if only that the was the worst of it...
 
Are you talking about the fact that William Hung is now in the archives?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Man Erg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2007 at 09:17
Originally posted by Zappa88 Zappa88 wrote:

Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

LOLLOLOh if only that the was the worst of it...

 

Are you talking about the fact that William Hung is now in the archives?


Morrissey really likes him.

After all The Smiths did record William,It Was Really Nothung.    

Edited by Man Erg - April 01 2007 at 09:18

Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb.
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William Hung?

No, I have all of his albums, he definitely deserves to be here.  I run the RIO/Avant-Prog team, I say he stays. LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Easy Livin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2007 at 10:37
Let's not get too embroiled in this. Guiog has e-mailed the reviewer with details of the reasons for his actions, and inviting him to submit a revised review.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote progismylife Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2007 at 11:24
I don't see a problem with writing in Spanish, Russian, and German, and I was only expressing my opinion on the album so whats the problem?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mandrakeroot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2007 at 11:32
Originally posted by andu andu wrote:

It's a remarkable performance to break that many reviewing guidelines in such a short text... while being a major Collaborator:

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=116250


This review offended me, Jethro Tull and Prog!!!

This review is a StarStarStarStarStar AngryAngryCensoredCensoredEmbarrassed review!!!
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

It's funny and 100% honest because I don't even know the band so anything I say ijust from the review (My commments about why I think must be deleted are in blue):
 
 
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Review by Turion (Patrick Soucy)
Posted 8:57:36 PM EST, 3/30/2007

1%20stars I sadly bought this album, thinking I was in for a treat. What a mistake... This band makes usual neo-prog music, (What the hell he expects from a band influenced by Marillion? If you read the bio it's clear) which is typically boring. (Sorry neo-prog fans :D) The whole thing sounds just like usual neo-prog,  (He has already said that before) which means the singer shouldn't be singing in the first place (Why shouldn't Neo Prog vocalist sing? What about Fish or Nick Barrett?)and there are lots of cheesy sounding keyboards. I don't know how someone can listen to this and not cringe, (Doesn't everybody has a taste?) because it sounds like a joke. (Why is it a joke?  Please explain) This music is really not serious; (Joke and not serious are synonymous in this case)  the songs are not good, (has said it three times already) they have no direction and the production is awful. This band is from my country too, (Who cares about this in the context it's written? This doesn´t give the guy more credibility) but I really shouldn't have supported them based only on this fact. Stay away from this one and go buy yourself some good music instead! (Only ranting and nothing else)
 
I believe this review is not remortely a review.
 
Not a word about the songs, structures or lyrics, just rants over and over, this is the same guy who made a review about SEBTP givoing one star and which was deleted.
 
Iván
 
LOL
 
The best part was "I really shouldn't have supported them based only on this fact". Great support, huh! LOL
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