Your Prog Rock Hot Takes

suitkees wrote: Hrychu wrote: Not a prog hot take but still a music hot take. White Polish artists adopting (or more like copying) African-American gangsta rap/trap music stylistics is pretty much blackface without the makeup, similar to Polish reggae except here, even more contrived and fake. :v I cringe so friggin hard whenever I see all those trap mannerisms copied and pasted by local artists from my homeland, who mindlessly shoehorn in AAVE phrases,slang terms (remember kids: shіt ≠ gówno!!!!!) and even speech stress and prosody, into the Polish language. It's a different country with different musical traditions. Get over it. Because the Polish race has to remain pure? With pure Polish music? I guess you don't like it either when polish musicians play - let's say - Jazz or Blues or... Prog Rock!

You completely missed the point I tried to make. It's not about staying "pure" but more about calquing stuff that doesn't translate well into another language or cultural landscape and ending up looking awkward and artificial. B)

And honestly, it's mostly fine. Let's take Gabriel era Genesis. In this kind of case you're portraying a character, you're telling a story. It's all tropes. But, the sheer philosophy behind hip-hop and rap is to do the opposite. The rapper doesn't use someone else's lyrics and the rapper doesn't pretend to be someone else, like they're playing a character unless it's super obviously stated!

Example:
1. An American rapper has a song about living in a ghetto and gun control.
2. A Polish rapper has a song about living in a ghetto and gun control.

Option 2 looks like someone's copying a style without choosing not to adopt the elements that sound out of place and out of character when you change the setting from the US to Poland.

Edited by Hrychu - May 31 2024 at 05:23

Yes. I agree. It can absolutely be done with taste! That's pretty much how a lot of fusion musical genres all around the world came into existence! Just do it wisely.

(non prog) hot take: public restrooms should be categorized by preferred way of urination and not by gender. B)

Cristi wrote: Have we run out of prog hot takes?

Cristi wrote: Hrychu wrote: (non prog) hot take: public restrooms should be categorized by preferred way of urination and not by gender. B) I've never thought I'd see "urination" mentioned in the prog lounge, strange days we're living.  Have we run out of prog hot takes?!

The New Decemberists album is the finest they've ever put out, not sure if that's a hot take, since it's new, but Joan in the Garden alone is amazing

KC best album is Islands and everything after it except for Red is not that good.

Trespass is only surpassed by Selling England by the Pound for Genesis.

A Time and a Word is among the top three Yes albums and the orchestra was a good addition to their music.

The last really good Floyd album is Wish you were here, the rest is just ok.

Gentle Giant would be better if they kept their experimental nature of their debut.

Porcupine Tree is only remotely prog until 1999 or 2000

Family's real gem is Family Entertainment

All the Magma output is very good except from MDK

Most of the 90s and newer prog bands missed the point because what was great about Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd, ELP, KC, GG, Tull, etc was that it mmixed great instrumental passages, complexity and musical prowess with sing along choruses and humming-to melodies.

The Gentle Giant records "The Missing Piece" and "Giant For A Day" are fantastic, and I give more time to listen to them than their earlier material (except for Free Hand which is my all time fave of theirs).

^Yeah, as I was saying above, either widen your search, or just admit it comes down to taste. These broad generalizations based on personal bias really do a disservice to people making really killer music out there.