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TODDLER 
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It's really sad and I feel ill from this. A mother holding her infant and the infant is shot ar point blank? I didn't get this from the world of reporters ...journalists..but my brother-in-law who just got off the phone with me. Desensitized seems like brainwashing to me. Like what cults often do except...I misunderstand how the logic in a human being's brain is not ticking? When a person reads about the history of war...any war, and if it feels graphic and if you're mind can visualize the blood and suffering , then doesn't violence against innocent people seem unjust? Maybe people who are desensitized are not able to ask themselves what is the point of violence? If you are defending yourself and you die...it makes sense. It becomes logical then. To turn your back on the love for human life and not value it whatsoever seems stupied to me. It seems pointless. I have a gun! I kill! I don't care! It has no real meaning to me. I'm not living in the 21st century and as a rule, I try real hard to purposely not pay attention to squat. So....go ahead point that trigger at my head and make my day..lol! I am hearing people say that they intend on keeping a pistol handy in public so they can fire back at the lunatic who creates a blood bath in public. People predicte "Marshal Law" and some tend to blame the tragic incident yesterday on the Republican party as a means to push Obama out of Florida. It all sounds like a soap opera or fiction. I have difficulties digesting any of it. It makes me think that life is too dramatized to be real. I want to move to "Pitcarin Island" which is in the South Pacfic and about a 30 mile boat ride from Tahiti. If someone wants to kill me and my children there...then so be it. If they want to travel that far. I want to be a castaway. Do I trust the goverment or do I mistrust them? What is the flippin' answer? Mark my words....I am going to find a way out of here. |
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rushfan4
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 13:48 |
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I suppose it could be brainwashing in an indirect or roundabout way. I think sometimes it is hard to relate to deaths of strangers on the news in the same way that you relate to the death of a friend or relative. There are probably a million and one theories about why people do the things that they do but none of them are 100% foolproof. Millions of people listen to Ozzy's song Suicide Solution. 5 or 10 people who have heard this song actually commit suicide. All of the rest don't. Was it the song or was it the way the person was wired? And if it was the song, why? After all the song was about abusing alcohol "i.e. wine if fine but whiskey's quicker". Is it cartoons? The coyote falling off the cliff in every episode but coming back for the next one. Elmer Fudd hunting rabbits and shooting Daffy Duck and all that happens is his duck bill gets spun around on his head and he straightens it out and continues on.
Is it violent movies? Jason; Freddie Krueger; Michael Myers; the Saw dude: the zombies; the werewolves; the vampires; etc..... Actors die but come back in other movies. People laugh during these movies because of their campiness. As I mentioned in the previous post, all of these superhero movies have hundreds if not thousands of people murdered by the supervillains. Is it Rambo shooting hundreds of bad guys while being shot at by all of them but never being shot himself? Is it violent music? Rap songs about shooting this gangsta or that gangsta. Every metal song/album imaginable with all of the violence depicted on the album covers and within the songs. Is it the news? Every day you watch the news, and this person was killed or this gang had a war or this mailman went postal or this student shot up his classroom. What is it about these things that causes one person to do something like this while millions of other people don't? Nature -vs- nurture? Evil begets evil? Bad drugs? Chemical inbalance in the brain? Some of these things? All of these things? Is there any room on Pitcarin Island for me? I promise not to kill you or your family, except maybe in self-defense.
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Epignosis
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 14:01 |
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Rehabilitation is a possibility for violent drug addicts and people who steal televisions, not those who premeditatively enter a crowded movie theater to obliterate all life therein. |
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TODDLER
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 14:04 |
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That was an interesting and funny post. I may be wrong regarding my statements because violence has always exsisted and perhaps it is more in our face today. I don't know ? I have mixed feelings and am quite confused. FOR example in the late 60's and early to mid 70's newspapers were hitting the pavement with reports of ritual killings in my hometown....BUT! many times there were ritual killings in the next town over that did not reach the news media or Satan cults that fled during a ritual and you would hear about it from neighbors....or maybe it was on page 4 and disregarded. Based on that truth ...I could be dead wrong!
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TODDLER
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 14:13 |
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It's a shame too. I mean to say for example...I sound a bit stupied saying that the goverment could come up with a plan to avoid these tragic events..however, I find it difficult to believe sometimes that they absolutely can't come up with a plan after witnessing law officials sending in a robot to find the boobytraps in the 24 year old man's apartment. That seems sophisticated to me. Sophisticated enough to wonder why they can't stop the unpredictable shootings over the last decade.
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rushfan4
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 14:21 |
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Have you seen the TV program Person of Interest? If not, the premise is that post-9/11 they built a machine that is capable of doing just that. It listens in on every phone call, every fax, every email, every electronic transaction, and it is tapped into every camera, and it processes the information that it comes across and provides a list of potential crimes, victims, terrorist acts, etc.... On the one hand, it would be kind of neat if they truly had the ability to prevent a crime before it happens, but on the other hand, to have pretty much no privacy whatsoever would kind of suck. To which the reply is, that it shouldn't matter if you aren't doing anything wrong. The only people that it would seemedly effect would be those that are doing something wrong.
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 14:30 |
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But so many rules exist that I am probably doing something wrong a LOT
Speeding, using this website at work, probably a lot of stuff I cant talk about on PA.
I don't want the government watching me because I'm doing things that are considered illegal. I dont think they should be. I pay taxes. I work a job. Leave me alone.
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 14:32 |
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 14:49 |
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I wish there had been one of these there... |
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 14:57 |
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 15:07 |
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Yeah that would have solved it. A whole bunch of 71 yr nutters with bad eyesight in a dark cinema armed to the teeth That would have worked out much better.
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 15:12 |
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 15:17 |
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 15:17 |
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The guy was wearing a Kevlar vest, had teargas, a gas mask, and heavy duty firearms. We'd all be much safer if we all just went around with those I suppose?
 Hats off to the old guy all the same.  Edited by Slartibartfast - July 20 2012 at 15:18 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 15:21 |
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 15:31 |
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Gotta love the media just sinks its teeth into something like this like a vampire. Things like this are bad, obviously, but I'm incredibly wary of the scapegoating and blame that can be tossed around after an incident. There are deranged people in the world. These people will do bad things. It is unlucky to be in their way. That said, a f**king assault rifle? Somebody f**ked up somewhere along the line so he could have that.
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 15:41 |
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Yea- It is an interesting story though so you can't blame them for covering it.
It really rustles my jimmies though how there will now be parents that won't let their kids see ANY movie. "YOU CANT GO TO THE THEATER YOU WILL GET SHOT."
It's just that kidnapping, murder and rape are all terrible things, and they are things that you can protect someone from, but you can only go so far. These things are much more isolated than they seem. It's just that the internet allows us access to more information, and sadly most information isn't exactly positive.
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 15:49 |
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I think that there is a natural curiosity to try and know why he did it. Will it turn out that his ex-girlfriend was at the movie and he was extracting revenge on her? An article said that he was withdrawing from a doctorate program. Was there a professor or fellow student that he didn't like that was there? They haven't said anything about him ever working there or having been fired there, so that doesn't seem to be the issue. Was he upset because he wanted to the see the movie at the midnight showing and wasn't able to get a ticket? Did aliens or Barack Obama tell him to do it? It really doesn't matter, and there are no valid reasons that could possibly justify what he did, but I think that there is still a natural curiosity to want to know. And of course, there is a natural profit motive for all of the news networks to want to be the first to tell you every little detail about what they think that you want to know.
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 15:55 |
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Best wishes to the people who were hurt or killed and their families. You want to try and make some sense of it, but you really can't.
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Posted: July 20 2012 at 15:55 |
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I have my American Literature students write their first essay on that very topic: How much liberty are you willing to surrender to gain safety measures? |
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