The Christian Thread

Would you Christians pray about our new church?

We merged with another congregation.  They had a building but no preacher.  We had a preacher but no building.

Thanks. 

The new church, by the way, is called "Refuge."


Edited by Epignosis - October 28 2012 at 20:54

Equality 7-2521 wrote: I would imagine you can run that show Rob. I was able to get about 90% of the questions, and my knowledge of the Old Testament is seriously lacking.

Yeah, it's usually pretty easy.  I was upset last program because they had an error.

They asked about what plagues are mentioned in Revelation.  A correct answer was figs falling from a tree, but that was not a plague; rather, it was a simile- nothing more.

thellama73 wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: Anybody ever watch the show American Bible Challenge? I'm watching it now for the first time myself. EDIT: They just had a pretty awesome segment. They presented you with a sentence. You had to say if it was a lyric from the band Genesis or a line from the book of Genesis. A flower?

That's a damn shame.  We just stopped watching it.  Don't get us wrong- we liked it, but we had other things recorded that we wanted to watch.

Anybody ever watch the show American Bible Challenge? I'm watching it now for the first time myself.

EDIT: They just had a pretty awesome segment. They presented you with a sentence. You had to say if it was a lyric from the band Genesis or a line from the book of Genesis.


Edited by Equality 7-2521 - September 08 2012 at 17:39

I will pray for Jennifer and for comfort and peace for her and Sylvia, Rob.

Explain to me exactly why professing Christians love to pray in public?
New International Version (©1984)
But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

New Living Translation (©2007)
But when you pray, go away by yourself, shut the door behind you, and pray to your Father in private. Then your Father, who sees everything, will reward you.

English Standard Version (©2001)
But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

International Standard Version (©2008)
But whenever you pray, go into your room, close the door, and pray to your Father who is hidden. And your Father who sees from the hidden place will reward you.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
But you, when you pray, enter into your closet and lock your door, and pray to your father who is in secret, and your Father who sees in secret will reward you in public.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
When you pray, go to your room and close the door. Pray privately to your Father who is with you. Your Father sees what you do in private. He will reward you.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
But you, when you pray, enter into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret shall reward you openly.

American King James Version
But you, when you pray, enter into your closet, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father which is in secret; and your Father which sees in secret shall reward you openly.

American Standard Version
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thine inner chamber, and having shut thy door, pray to thy Father who is in secret, and thy Father who seeth in secret shall recompense thee.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But thou when thou shalt pray, enter into thy chamber, and having shut the door, pray to thy Father in secret: and thy Father who seeth in secret will repay thee.

Darby Bible Translation
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy chamber, and having shut thy door, pray to thy Father who is in secret, and thy Father who sees in secret will render it to thee.

English Revised Version
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thine inner chamber, and having shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret, and thy Father which seeth in secret shall recompense thee.

Webster's Bible Translation
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father who is in secret, and thy Father who seeth in secret, will reward thee openly.

Weymouth New Testament
But you, whenever you pray, go into your own room and shut the door: then pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father--He who sees in secret--will recompense you.

World English Bible
But you, when you pray, enter into your inner room, and having shut your door, pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.

Young's Literal Translation
But thou, when thou mayest pray, go into thy chamber, and having shut thy door, pray to thy Father who is in secret, and thy Father who is seeing in secret, shall reward thee manifestly.

Edited by Slartibartfast - September 08 2012 at 07:09

I will say a prayer Rob for the Mom and the girl. 

I'm not sure what you meant though by the first sentence of last paragraph "I have given up." 

Believers in Christ, will you pray for Sylvia's mother Jennifer?

I will.

^Well we agree there.

Epignosis wrote: thellama73 wrote: A couple of more points on this: Regarding the burden of proof, I see it differently. My mind tells me that I can choose whether to have another beer or not. You claim that this is an illusion. Doesn't the burden of proof fall on the one who contradicts what the senses tell us? Also, I believe a worldview that doesn't recognize free will has profound practical implications. The justice system has special rules for insanity because an insane person can't control himself and doesn't fully understand the impact of his actions. If all our decisions are predetermined by our experiences and the configuration of our brains, how can anyone truly be responsible for his actions, and if he's not responsible how can we punish him anymore than we punish animals or the insane? You have misconstrued my position.  I wholeheartedly believe you have freewill, but I am a compatibalist, meaning that freewill is not random.  You choose to have another beer (or not) because of causes that press upon your mind.  This choice is not an illusion.  It is caused, however.  Your choices are therefore new causes on future choices.  Isn't that cool? As for the justice system, and recognizing the thread we are in, I will answer the way I wish to: The Bible says we are born sinners.  That is, we are wired to f**k up.  Question: I am a forgetful man.  Suppose I, in my routine, forget to take my children someplace before work, and I whistle off to my classroom, July 5th, leaving them all in the car.  When I come back to the parking lot, there are three dead children.  Am I at fault?  What do you think, but more important why do you think it?

I guess I am confused about your position then. If your choices are caused entirely by things that came before them, how are they really choices? I suspect we agree more than we realize but are having trouble making ourselves undertsood.

As for your question, I do think you are at fault. Knowing that you are a forgetful man, it is your duty to find ways to overcome this fault when it could be harmful o others. This is partially why I have a problem with people who want to label any fault a "disorder" so as not to have to accept responsibility for attempting to overcome it.

Then again, I have never been terribly persuaded by the insanity defense to begin with, so perhaps I am not the best person to ask.