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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2006 at 06:41
    I don't disagree. There are far too many lorries going from one end of the country to the other and that freight could be on the railways or the canals. It's interesting to note that Eddie Stobart is actually a campaigner for getting freight off the roads and has recently started a railfreight business.

I was just defending the lorry drivers who have to work with what exists in the way of traffic and roads.
    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2006 at 07:13
Originally posted by NutterAlert NutterAlert wrote:

We need to start using the canals again.


Oh great! I can just imagine the scene, trying to get up the 30+ locks at Tardebigge & Stoke Prior, stuck behind three car transporters, an oil tanker and two Tesco boats...

And another thing!

Why can't tractors & other assorted farm/agricultural machinery be banned from public roads during rush hour, eh? Bloody farmers, grumble, mutter, gripe, rant, whinge...
    
    
    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2006 at 07:16
    Why can't everyone except me be banned from the roads
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2006 at 03:41
Stern SmileI complained about the shopping carts in the parking spaces, but they were back again today! Pinch
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 26 2006 at 03:07
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by NutterAlert NutterAlert wrote:

We need to start using the canals again.


Oh great! I can just imagine the scene, trying to get up the 30+ locks at Tardebigge & Stoke Prior, stuck behind three car transporters, an oil tanker and two Tesco boats...

And another thing!

Why can't tractors & other assorted farm/agricultural machinery be banned from public roads during rush hour, eh? Bloody farmers, grumble, mutter, gripe, rant, whinge...


I've been up Tardebigge's 30 locks.  Very impressive, but I can admit it would get tedious after a while.  Devizes has 29, but they're double-gate locks, rather than Tardebigge's single-gate locks.  Much easier and you can fit more boats in.

I bet you didn't know I was a closet Canal fan? WinkLOL

In the past, when I was a teenager, my parents used to go on boating holidays.  We've been on the Grand Union in Birmingham (Farmer's Bridge, Gas Street, Edgbaston, The Black Country and the rest), the Grand Union in Northampton (Blisworth, Braunston, Weedon and the rest) and even down the River Severn one time.  Then there the was the time we went to Aylesbury (via the Aylesbury Arm).  We've pretty much always stuck to The Grand Union.

Good fun is boating, but it's only really good fun for a week at a time.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 26 2006 at 04:28
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Originally posted by NutterAlert NutterAlert wrote:

We need to start using the canals again.


Oh great! I can just imagine the scene, trying to get up the 30+ locks at Tardebigge & Stoke Prior, stuck behind three car transporters, an oil tanker and two Tesco boats...

And another thing!

Why can't tractors & other assorted farm/agricultural machinery be banned from public roads during rush hour, eh? Bloody farmers, grumble, mutter, gripe, rant, whinge... 
    
     
    
 
ha ha LOL brought back happy memories you mentioning Tardebigge - some fool's idea of a HOLIDAY??!!Confused working the biggest flight of locks i had ever seen!!...we did it though!Clap
 
the canals would be utterly useless for anything other than holidays these days, the answer to the movement of "heavy freight" is indeed the railways - no delays, and the strips of land surrounding them become a haven for wildlife (so do Motorways but without carbon monoxide emissions from 100's of cars)Tongue
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 26 2006 at 12:30
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:


Why can't tractors & other assorted farm/agricultural machinery be banned from public roads during rush hour, eh? Bloody farmers, grumble, mutter, gripe, rant, whinge... 
 
I'm with you on that one Jim, no matter which direction I travel down the A44 from here, I get stuck between at least one componant of Sunday lunch.... either sheep travelling from Wales in a cattle truck, or potatoes leaving Herefordshire in a tractor & trailer....Ouch
 
...overtake on a bend, and you run smack into a Mint Sauce tanker with dodgy brakes...Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2006 at 10:15
Originally posted by mystic fred mystic fred wrote:

the answer to the movement of "heavy freight" is indeed the railways

    
That's fine. I quite like railways as you may have guessed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2006 at 10:24
^^^ except that Dr Beeching cut the lines out here in 1963, and our nearest station is now 15 miles away...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2006 at 15:32
Originally posted by Heavyfreight Heavyfreight wrote:

Originally posted by mystic fred mystic fred wrote:

the answer to the movement of "heavy freight" is indeed the railways

    
That's fine. I quite like railways as you may have guessed.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2006 at 19:01
Glad I found this thread.  I have two daughters 7 and 5.  I am inundated with thoughts of everything that they are going to navigate when they become teenagers due to this world being the sewage hole that most of it is.  Let me count the ways:

1. Eating disorders-if anyone has seen the new special on HBO called Thin, it will seriously screw with you.  The women in this treatment center are absolutely insane.
2. Crystal Meth-it is everywhere in the states and even in the middle of the country where I live.  How right thinking people can get involved with this stuff is unbelievable.
3. Internet predators - These people who pray on underage people are the scum of the earth.  NBC here in the states seems to be running a undercover sting continually and putting these freaks right on TV caught red handed all the time.  Yet does it abate?  No.
4. Bullying
5. Teenage pregnancy.
6. Identity theft.

I could go on but just thinking about this is enough to put me over the edge.  Why is there a never ending string of landmines that people have to negotiate just to survive in this so-called civilization.  People's greed, animal instincts and lack of intelligence is all a part of it and young minds are so suceptible that I just want to go live in a cave.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2006 at 00:49
I wholeheartedly agree with you John, well said.

I've been thinking over the past few years that intelligence is actually dying out.  Yes, you still get the extremely intelligent people, but it seems to me that there are more unintelligible people every day.

I also don't believe University Education is all that special anymore.  A large majority of people go to University to have fun first and work hard second.  That's the way I unfortunately did it also, but hindsight has told me that I should have done it the other way around.

Then when they do learn things, I don't always believe it's always to the high standard that people expect.  I had many inept lecturers who had no real clue how to teach.  They probably knew their subject, but they seem to be very poor at inter-personal skills.

Am I alone in thinking this?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2006 at 03:36
John / James - well said

James - I never went to university, but when I left school in 1979, those who did go had to work bloody hard to get there & even harder to stay there; nowadays, it seems that universities are full of those who see the institutions as a natural extension of school and/or a way of avoiding 'real life' for another few years (evidenced by the huge numbers of people taking "nothing" subjects like media studies or sociology) - many universities are now having to offer remedial reading/writing courses for those who go on to higher education without basic literacy skills.

Whilst I'm in full ranting mode I have to get off my chest something which has been bothering me for some time - am I alone in thinking there is now a new (and I hate to use the expression) "underclass" developing...? Don't get me wrong, I am not putting down the working classes, far from it (it's where I was born, for God's sake), the working class has always had its share of low-lifes (as have all classes in society), but there was always a strong sense of moral value and a strong work ethic. There now seems to be a new class of those who see the state as a parental substitute, drifting from school to benefit state with no effort on their part to improve their lot; the scary part of this is their children are brought up to believe this is the norm and perfectly acceptable - growing up without discipline, direction or any sense of purpose...

These are the adults of tomorrow!

Now that's scary...
    
    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2006 at 03:48
I worked hard at College (although I didn't do A-Levels and I wish I had), obtaining a Distinction at Intermediate level and a Merit at Advanced level.  It was when I got to University that things went wrong for me.  I did come out with a 3rd in the end, but it was a struggle.  There were some on the course who barely turned up and one of them got a 1st.  Now that was annoying.

No, you are correct, there seems to be a class lower than working class (also my routes, by the way - all my family are working class).  Maybe it should be called the dole queue class, but most of the people in that class wouldn't be able to spell queue, let alone dole...

We should all be very worried too, they will indeed be the adults of tomorrow.  Heck, many of them apparently are already adults!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2006 at 03:54
Perhaps if the wearing of football shirts were to be made a capital offense unless worn on the field of play (or being worn whilst reading a copy of The Sun), such problems would eventually go away...

...just a thought

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2006 at 04:08
It's when they dress their children (correction: their boy(s)) up in said footbal regalia, that I start to worry about the human race...

A little baby boy cannot say "No! Daddy, I really don't want to be associated with *insert glory supported team here* or be associated with thuggery".  They have no say, because they're too young.  It's too late by then.

Don't force all that crap on them at such a young age.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2006 at 04:15
Originally posted by johnobvious johnobvious wrote:

Glad I found this thread.  I have two daughters 7 and 5.  I am inundated with thoughts of everything that they are going to navigate when they become teenagers due to this world being the sewage hole that most of it is.  Let me count the ways:

1. Eating disorders-if anyone has seen the new special on HBO called Thin, it will seriously screw with you.  The women in this treatment center are absolutely insane.
2. Crystal Meth-it is everywhere in the states and even in the middle of the country where I live.  How right thinking people can get involved with this stuff is unbelievable.
3. Internet predators - These people who pray on underage people are the scum of the earth.  NBC here in the states seems to be running a undercover sting continually and putting these freaks right on TV caught red handed all the time.  Yet does it abate?  No.
4. Bullying
5. Teenage pregnancy.
6. Identity theft.

I could go on but just thinking about this is enough to put me over the edge.  Why is there a never ending string of landmines that people have to negotiate just to survive in this so-called civilization.  People's greed, animal instincts and lack of intelligence is all a part of it and young minds are so suceptible that I just want to go live in a cave.
 
Of course, you're absolutely right John.  Here's a thought from leftfield; tell me what you think.  When the philosopher, David Hume lay on his death bed in the 1790's, most of his friends and critics hoped sincerely for a death bed repentance from him, by turning to God; most for his own spiritual sake, but a few for Society's sake.
 
Years before, Hume had said categorically that God didn't exist, and that when he died he was going to the grave, and that was it.  Some of his political friends were petrified at this notion, because they felt that if the common man came to believe there was no heavenly reward for his backbreaking toil on the land, and suffering on this earth, then anarchy would prevail.  Why?
 
Because they believed that a Fear of God was the ONLY social apparatus that could maintain law and order in western civilisation, and whereas a Secular Society was something which the educated could come to terms with, this could never happen for the uneducated majority.
 
Now, I'm fairly ambivilent about religion, but I have to ask the question, why is it so comparatively safe to walk around Madrid or Naples at 11pm on a Friday night, when I wouldn't been seen anywhere near downtown Hereford at the same time??
 
It's because here in the UK, the mindless majority can't ultimately live with the consequences of a secular society, without the restraint of either Religion or a similar substitute.Ouch
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2006 at 04:35
Most of the teenagers who study in my College are intelligent and hard working, and go on after 2 years to University or full-time work, though many with a "chip" on their shoulder seem to be here to keep them off the streets - there are some extremely nasty ones who are usually persuaded to "leave" long before Christmas, who are not dangerous in themselves but create disruption - that saying about "one bad apple" is absolutely true!
Many problems kids have in Schools are due to lack of discipline in an unstable home, and problems going back to Pre-school. I'm not saying we should hit them, that just creates rebels and more violence, but kids feel secure in a disciplined home. Some grow up with dirty habits (like spitting/swearing) thinking it is acceptable behaviour, and anti-social attitudes, thinking it is ok to steal and attack people. By the time they get to secondary/high school it's too late,  the teachers are frightened of them, and if they get into College I end up sorting out the "problem".
 
Most kids, fortunately, are hard working and decent so don't be too gloomy people!!Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2006 at 05:07
Originally posted by mystic fred mystic fred wrote:

Originally posted by Heavyfreight Heavyfreight wrote:

[QUOTE=mystic fred] the answer to the movement of "heavy freight" is indeed the railways
      That's fine. I quite like railways as you may have guessed.
 

 



Don't laugh. I was driving Thomas the other day at our Thomas and friends weekend.

Please hurry up and sort the IE7 issues.
    
     

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Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

There were some on the course who barely turned up and one of them got a 1st. 


Sorry, I couldn't help it
     
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