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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2012 at 11:29
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:


I actually think Romney has run fairly clean campaign (excluding superPAC ads of course), while the prez/Biden have been far more likely to be personally insulting or just talking about complete nonsense.  I guess we see what we want, but even a few on the liberal side have commented on Team O's mud with a bit of surprise.



It's possible that you are right, however it does not make up for 4 years of "ERMAGERD, HE'S A KERNYERN MERSLERM TERRST!! WHER'S HIS BERTH CERTERFERCERT!"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2012 at 11:34
To be fair, those kinds of comments are not from the R campaign.......but yeah, there is always the silly season fringers on both sides
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2012 at 11:49
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

To be fair, those kinds of comments are not from the R campaign.......but yeah, there is always the silly season fringers on both sides


The R campaign hasn't been much better - for four years they've touted Obama as the weakest President ever, as far as foreign policy goes - Romney himself did this, and then all of a sudden in the 3rd debate he agrees with Obama on everything...and touts himself as a great leader. Yeah...you're a great leader..."follow me! I'll be right behind the President!"

Now, RRomney/yan are going around making their closing arguments, saying that Obama has been making bad investments with the government's money, and that half of what he's invested in has gone bankrupt. But actually, if you do the math, it's 8%. Look at the investments made while Romney was at Bain - 22% went bankrupt. Everything that man says is a misdirection or a lie. Every...single...thing.

For four years the Republicans in office have purposely sabotaged the country in order to make Obama look bad so that they can turn around and say "look what he did to our country!" Look at their voting records - especially Ryan's. During the Bush administration, he voted for bailouts, raising debt ceiling, protecting veteran's rights, etc. Obama becomes president, and all of a sudden his positions completely reverse. For the last four years, the #1 priority in the R camp has been to make Obama look bad - not fight terrorism, not protect the helpless and poor, not protect American's rights.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2012 at 12:41
And the Dems were just pixies and lollipops to Pres. Bush.Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2012 at 12:44
quite probably. Stern Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2012 at 13:15
Vote for Gary Johnson, okay? I'll give you a present if you do
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2012 at 13:48
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

And the Dems were just pixies and lollipops to Pres. Bush.Wink


That's not even an argument.

Look, I have not yet met a Republican who actually likes Romney, so the way I see it:
You vote for Obama, half the people in America will be upset for the next four years. You vote for Romney and 100% of the people in America will be upset for the next four years.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2012 at 13:59
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

To be fair, those kinds of comments are not from the R campaign.......but yeah, there is always the silly season fringers on both sides


The R campaign hasn't been much better - for four years they've touted Obama as the weakest President ever, as far as foreign policy goes - Romney himself did this, and then all of a sudden in the 3rd debate he agrees with Obama on everything...and touts himself as a great leader. Yeah...you're a great leader..."follow me! I'll be right behind the President!"

Now, RRomney/yan are going around making their closing arguments, saying that Obama has been making bad investments with the government's money, and that half of what he's invested in has gone bankrupt. But actually, if you do the math, it's 8%. Look at the investments made while Romney was at Bain - 22% went bankrupt. Everything that man says is a misdirection or a lie. Every...single...thing.

For four years the Republicans in office have purposely sabotaged the country in order to make Obama look bad so that they can turn around and say "look what he did to our country!" Look at their voting records - especially Ryan's. During the Bush administration, he voted for bailouts, raising debt ceiling, protecting veteran's rights, etc. Obama becomes president, and all of a sudden his positions completely reverse. For the last four years, the #1 priority in the R camp has been to make Obama look bad - not fight terrorism, not protect the helpless and poor, not protect American's rights.


I'm with you on this.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2012 at 14:05

Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

Vote for Gary Johnson, okay? I'll give you a present if you do

I will do the same even without a present ... in the same breath, what was the present?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2012 at 14:22
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:


I actually think Romney has run fairly clean campaign (excluding superPAC ads of course), while the prez/Biden have been far more likely to be personally insulting or just talking about complete nonsense.  I guess we see what we want, but even a few on the liberal side have commented on Team O's mud with a bit of surprise.



Let's go back to this, because I've been thinking about it. Now, I don't actually watch very many commercials (in the past I've DVR'd everything, and now I stream Netflix and Hulu to a Roku device), but from what I've seen...aren't most of the attacks from the Obama campaign "he's a liar, here's why", whereas most of the attacks from the Romney campaign are "lie lie lie lie BIG FAT LIE lie lie"?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2012 at 14:33
Originally posted by Argonaught Argonaught wrote:

Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

Vote for Gary Johnson, okay? I'll give you a present if you do

I will do the same even without a present ... in the same breath, what was the present?


The satisfaction of voting for Gary Johnson and a free download of my album
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2012 at 14:45

And, the harder the campaigns sweat to "compare and contrast" the distinguished candidates, the more they both look like each other, and like the erstwhile "Decider".    

We recently received (yet another) Romney pamphlet. On the left-hand page Mr. Romney takes a subtle shot at Mr. Obama, who "must have sleep-walked into the Oval Office to think that governments create jobs".  

On the right page of the same flyer, literally about 4" (100 mm) from the previous statement, the same Mr. Romney continues, 'In my first term, I will create 12 million jobs'.

Morer of the samer, only gooder
 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2012 at 14:49
"Romney is a bullsh*tter". Obama.

Yes that shows a classy campaign.

4 years ago Obama was the one running a decent campaing and McCain a sad, offensive one. Things have changed.

And yes, saying that your performance in your work has been terrible is not offensive, even if it is not necessarily true.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2012 at 14:54
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

"Romney is a bullsh*tter". Obama.

He is.

Unrelated (somewhat) - I just read this article:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/

My first thought was:
"you keep using that word, 'Conservative' - I do na think it-a means what you think it-a means."

Actually, no, my first thought was "Oh...my...gosh...I can't believe what a LIE the Republican party is! All these years of pretending they're something they haven't been for so long!"

(Former, now very jaded, Republican here.)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2012 at 15:08
^I assume you will vote for Obama?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2012 at 15:09
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

And the Dems were just pixies and lollipops to Pres. Bush.Wink


That's not even an argument.

Look, I have not yet met a Republican who actually likes Romney, so the way I see it:
You vote for Obama, half the people in America will be upset for the next four years. You vote for Romney and 100% of the people in America will be upset for the next four years.



I'm not here to argue with you.  Just saying you act as if what the Repubs do is something unique.  It isn't.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2012 at 15:20
Former kind-of-socialist/social-libertarian here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2012 at 15:25
Apparently PA has tightened also but without resources being spent there I think that is highly unlikely to flip. 

It is also quite possible that this could be another election where Romney wins the USA popular vote, and loses the election.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2012 at 15:26
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

^I assume you will vote for Obama?

Heck yes - I actually like the guy, as opposed to the "lesser of two evils" argument I keep hearing from my Republican friends (I live in TN, so...my wife and I are the only people I know of who are voting this way). When even a Republican is willing to admit their choice is evil, that's telling, because the only reason they believe the Democrat is evil is because the evil Republicans told them he is!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2012 at 15:26
Originally posted by dtguitarfan dtguitarfan wrote:



Unrelated (somewhat) - I just read this article:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/

My first thought was:
"you keep using that word, 'Conservative' - I do na think it-a means what you think it-a means."

Actually, no, my first thought was "Oh...my...gosh...I can't believe what a LIE the Republican party is! All these years of pretending they're something they haven't been for so long!"

(Former, now very jaded, Republican here.)


Hmm...

That article says one thing but demonstrates something else entirely.  That Obama may have had the smallest growth in federal spending of any President since Eisenhower isn't what the headline says.

Assuming a one year term:

President A spends $100
President B spends $115 (+15%)
President C spends $180 (+56.5%)
President D spends $185 (+2.7%)

A first grader could tell you that President D is the biggest spender, even if he grew the budget less than three percent.

When you're $16 million million in debt and borrowing 43 cents for every dollar you spend, getting the trophy for having the "slowest spending growth" isn't much of an honor.



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