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Jake Kobrin
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 20 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1303 |
Posted: June 20 2009 at 19:59 |
Oh and hey Dim, how did you become a part of the Post-Rock team? I'd love to join that, Post/Experimental Metal, or Tech/Extreme but I don't know how...
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Dim
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 17 2007 Location: Austin TX Status: Offline Points: 6890 |
Posted: June 20 2009 at 20:31 |
Write reviews, and just talk to some people on the team to see if you can write a bio or help out in any way. I dont think there's a team for each sub-genre of metal... which I think is a shame considering how I'd love to be part of the post metal/extreme metal team, but I have yet to find a traditional prog metal band that interests me.
Talk to Harry if you're genuinly interested, and write some Deathspell Omega reviews. They seem to be getting a bad rap here, and you seem to be the only one who gets them
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burritounit
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 18 2007 Location: Puerto Rico Status: Offline Points: 2551 |
Posted: June 20 2009 at 21:33 |
Jake if you wanna be in a team you just gotta help out. Write bio's, help with album additions, have knowledge of the genre's and such things. If your really interested PM me and I could take you for consideration on the post rock team... since I'm really lacking members or help for that matter hehe.
Edited by burritounit - June 20 2009 at 21:34 |
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angelmk
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 22 2006 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 1955 |
Posted: June 20 2009 at 21:48 |
can i be member of that post rock team of yours ? it's sounds interesting
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Jake Kobrin
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 20 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1303 |
Posted: June 20 2009 at 22:27 |
Well I wrote a bio for DEATHSPELL OMEGA and for NE OBLIVISCARIS. That said, It's true that I haven't written an extreme amount of reviews. I'd still be very interested! PM to be sent ASAP!
Dim, DSO is a hard band to "get". For example, Fas took me about 20 listens to appreciate. Now I just CRAVE that madness. Perseverance and patience is required for their enjoyment (and not in the way that post-rock requires it...) Edit: I just looked at their page and I think that they're receiving the reviews they deserve for the most part. Their first albums are absolutely horrible. It's old school black metal only played with worst musicianship, originality, and production than the classics. I gave all of their old releases either a 1 or a 2. Edited by Jake Kobrin - June 20 2009 at 22:31 |
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Petrovsk Mizinski
Prog Reviewer Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
Posted: June 20 2009 at 22:56 |
Prog Metal, Tech/Extreme and Experimental/Post Metal is all covered by the Prog Metal Team.
What's cool about it is that you get to be on the genre team that gets a reputation of always being busy as hell and getting stuff done. What isn't cool is that in between some of the cool Tech/Extreme and Experimental/Post stuff you get to evaluate you also have to sometimes endure listening to really cheesy, cliche progressive/power metal stuff That part of being on the genre team sucks, because if you're anything like me, you cringe every time because you just think to yourself "GODDAMN IT, THE PROGRESSIVE/POWER METAL THING HAS BEEN DONE TO DEATH YET BANDS STILL KEEP DOING IT AGAIN AND AGAIN". Don't get me wrong, some of the Prog Metal stuff is cool from time to time, but I find Post/Experimental and Tech/Extreme is where the bulk of bands pushing forward are, where too many Prog Metal bands are just done to death power/prog, Death Theater type bands or Pain of Salvation like bands etc. You actually don't need to write reviews at all, Planky/David has written like, one review ever. Given how insane David's work ethic is, I tend to think Post Rock is the team that needs most help right now. You could be awesome and join both teams, but it's an assload of work though. |
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burritounit
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 18 2007 Location: Puerto Rico Status: Offline Points: 2551 |
Posted: June 20 2009 at 23:06 |
I'm so bad ass!! I'm on both teams... if anyone is interested in helping out with the post-rock team PM me.
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"I've walked on water, run through fire, can't seem to feel it anymore. It was me, waiting for me..."
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Dim
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 17 2007 Location: Austin TX Status: Offline Points: 6890 |
Posted: June 21 2009 at 13:28 |
I'm interested... I just need to get off my virtual ass and get to work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wouldnt mind a certain title such as Eperimental/post metal expert, rather than prog metal team... but thats just a selfish and conceded desire!
Some times I feel that way about post rock though Harry. While I like traditional post rock as opposed to traitional prog/power metal, I feel a bunch of bands are doing the same thing. So I never know whether it's right to vote on a band that is bringing nothing new to the table and just going through the same build up tremolo + delay + distortion ropes. You feel me?
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Prog-jester
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 05 2005 Location: Love Beach Status: Offline Points: 5883 |
Posted: June 21 2009 at 16:42 |
oh damn yes I do I haven't heard a good Post-Rock album for ages((( and I'm a bit too busy last 4-5 months to post/review regulary
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Moatilliatta
Prog Reviewer Joined: December 01 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3083 |
Posted: June 21 2009 at 17:21 |
I agree. It seems that these days there are no new post-rock bands doing anything different. Gifts from Enola, Long Distance Calling, This Will Destroy You, etc. are all just run-of-the-mill, average post-rock bands. They all might occasionally write a few good songs, but there's nothing that really ever jumps out to me anymore. The only bands that are pushing forward are the ones that have already been around for years, and even then its not entirely different, but its at the very least better than the up and coming clones.
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Jake Kobrin
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 20 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1303 |
Posted: June 21 2009 at 20:48 |
Ugh, yeah I feel exactly the same way... And most of the bands that are forward thinking within post-rock aren't actually "post-rock" per say. I'd much rather be on the metal team but I'm just happy to be on what ever PA thing...
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Dim
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 17 2007 Location: Austin TX Status: Offline Points: 6890 |
Posted: June 21 2009 at 21:05 |
In my opinion the two most creative, and forward thinking genres are Post metal and Black metal. The music that the genre's put forth have so much room for innovation, and it's always exciting to hear about newer groups doing something different.
That being said, there are some post rock groups doing some new things. The Samuel Jackson five are one of the more original groups in existence, and Toe are wonderfully energetic and original with their music. I wouldnt pigeon hole This will destroy you quite yet though. Sure, their EP is very EITS/Mogwai-ish, but their album is much more ambient than the EP, and does draw upon different musical sources. For example their song "they move on tracks of never ending light" sounds like a guitar driven album leaf song, with a bit of a more solid electronic drum beat... and an EXCELLENT melody!
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Dominic
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 02 2008 Location: Liberation Land Status: Offline Points: 651 |
Posted: June 21 2009 at 21:11 |
I suppose i'm not the only one then (although, i'd add RIO in there as well) |
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Jake Kobrin
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 20 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1303 |
Posted: June 21 2009 at 21:23 |
^Yes! Progressive Black Metal that is, which is a rare off-shoot of an otherwise cloned population of Darkthrone-esque bands...
Well there are indeed many creative PR bands, Ulver for example is one of the most creative groups of all time! (despite the fact that they don't really fit within PR...) |
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Moatilliatta
Prog Reviewer Joined: December 01 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3083 |
Posted: June 21 2009 at 21:25 |
^They definitely are two of the most forward-thinking genres (although I think there are way fewer progressive/experimental black metal bands than post). However, there's also a lot going on in the indie pop/rock scene as well. Lots of great experimental bands these days. Those so-called "modern prog" bands are doing some neat stuff these days too. And of course there are some great innovative groups/people in the tech metal and electronic scenes.
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Dim
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 17 2007 Location: Austin TX Status: Offline Points: 6890 |
Posted: June 21 2009 at 21:29 |
Progressive, Atmospheric, and ambient black metal IMO.
Jake, So I am listening to DSO's Fas right now, and you're right about it being inexplicably brutal. But I'll stay ddiligentnd give it many listens before I pass judgement.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
Prog Reviewer Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
Posted: June 22 2009 at 06:06 |
I get what you're saying, but at the end of the day I could sit through a Mogwai clone band if the music was good enough. Whereas in general I just despise prog/power metal because I think the music is awful and horribly cheesy, innovative or not I tend to think too, while we're at it, that "pushing forward" and "innovative" is somewhat subjective. To one person a band can be really innovative, to another person it might come across as something they've heard before with some new frilly bits and nothing ultimately new, just a little different. Personally, I don't think a band has to be innovative to make good music. I place creativity and that inspired feel to the proceedings well above innovation. Sometimes I just like to hear a band improving and refining their style, even if they aren't innovating anymore. Maybe Long Distance Calling aren't innovative, you may well be right Chris, but to me it sounds like the band do try new things within their own sound if not so much in the post rock sound as a whole and I think that reflected well in their last record, Avoid the Light, which sounds really inspired to me. I know not everyone will agree, but I think the band really did strive to write and play the best sh*t they possibly could at the time without compromising and deliberately going for the broad audience appeal crap. Edited by Petrovsk Mizinski - June 23 2009 at 01:51 |
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Moatilliatta
Prog Reviewer Joined: December 01 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3083 |
Posted: June 22 2009 at 11:28 |
^That's true too. I'm not really all about innovation, I'm more into music that is genuinely inspired and performed by passionate musicians. And usually, if the musicians are inspired enough, they'll find a way to make their own sound. Long Distance Calling appears to be on their way to their own sound, but Avoid the Light didn't quite have an identity of its own, within the album itself and compared to other bands in the genre. There was some good stuff there to be certain, but I think they're still an album away from really hitting the mark. But I'm open to giving it a couple more plays. |
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Equality 7-2521
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: June 23 2009 at 06:21 |
Sup
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angelmk
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 22 2006 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 1955 |
Posted: June 23 2009 at 07:43 |
welcome back equality , i haven't noticed your name here a while .
as far as above discussion of Progressive Black i will suggest Secrets of The Moon, and Kathaarsys, two kick ass bands. and i don't agree that post rock is in regress or something, so far this year many great albums were released : Mono , Dorena - Holofon, Gifts From Enola, Goonies Never Say Die - In A Forest Without Trees; It May Never End - Such Is Life; And So I Watch You From Afar - And So I Watch You From Afar; If These Trees Could Talk - Above The Earth, Below The Sky ; From Monument To Masses - On Little Known Frequencies; but i can' t call them masterpieces though ; maybe Mono i can .. it's all matter of taste after all .
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