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Points: 4335 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 19 2012 at 21:51
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

That's just false MoM.  How can you say zero chance when he's already polling even with Barry without having even engaged him yet to any big degree?  If he does well, he's got a reasonable chance of winning.  Up to 20% for Johnson?  Can I have some of that good weed you're hittin?Wink

 
 
I'd be willing to put good money up on this (though not 10 grand LOL).  Mitt Romney 2012 is to the GOP what John Kerry 2004 was to the Democratic party.  He can't bring in enough independents (an increasingly large portion of the country are, rightfully, fleaing the "two" parties) to compete and the democratic base is simply larger than the republican base (one which will  have no passion behind it).  As with Kerry in 04' and Dole in 96' running a moderate against the failures of the sitting President simply won't work.  Reagan didn't unseat Carter because of Carter's failures alone but because he stirred up a movement (no matter what any of us think of that movement) that brought in a wide spectrum of people.  Gary Johnson doesn't really even need to get 20% for him to have an impact and I can almost guarantee that, being on the the ballot in all 50 states, he will get a large enough % of the vote to effect any close outcome (not that I think it'll be that close).


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Obviously CNN tried their best to make this a Romney-Gingrich thing. Santorum was quite decent (his debating, not his positions) untile he was lectured by Ron. Ron failed once, but he also could've come out stronger after King ignored him. He also failed in the closing statement, choosing ideas instead of a political plea for voters. Basically, he always proves he's too decent a man to be a politician, much less a president. But he'll always get my vote.
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Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

I don't know, we've already seen the power the media still wields in this process:  maintaining Romney as their ideal frontrunner, taking a candidate with no visible support and pushing last minute voters to him in Iowa, bumping Huntsman several % points above what he should have gotten in NH just by whispering surge in relation to his name, and now in South Carolina strengthening the dying progressive's case by making him a human figure instead of the ogre he actually is. 





You could be right.  I think you're following this sh*t alot closer than I am this cycle, too many problems at work and home to worry about.  If Barry wins again, it's probably justice that he clean up his own mess.  The party could come back with a better field in '16.   Or not.  LOL

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Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

That's just false MoM.  How can you say zero chance when he's already polling even with Barry without having even engaged him yet to any big degree?  If he does well, he's got a reasonable chance of winning.  Up to 20% for Johnson?  Can I have some of that good weed you're hittin?Wink

 
 
I'd be willing to put good money up on this (though not 10 grand LOL).  Mitt Romney 2012 is to the GOP what John Kerry 2004 was to the Democratic party.  He can't bring in enough independents (an increasingly large portion of the country are, rightfully, fleaing the "two" parties) to compete and the democratic base is simply larger than the republican base (one which will  have no passion behind it).  As with Kerry in 04' and Dole in 96' running a moderate against the failures of the sitting President simply won't work.  Reagan didn't unseat Carter because of Carter's failures alone but because he stirred up a movement (no matter what any of us think of that movement) that brought in a wide spectrum of people.  Gary Johnson doesn't really even need to get 20% for him to have an impact and I can almost guarantee that, being on the the ballot in all 50 states, he will get a large enough % of the vote to effect any close outcome (not that I think it'll be that close).


I'll have to think about that a bit, but maybe....could be funCool
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MoM, be careful what you wish for. His actual positions notwithstanding, Santorum is also more of a "radical" than a "moderate" in the republican field (at least in the media's eyes). That means under your political prediction he also is a better choice for facing the incumbent
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He's no radical in the republican field.  Santorum actually is a better personification of the big government republican tradition than anyone else left.  Romney is the moderate (who reps always nominate so they can win, only to lose) and Newt is the progressive (big-government but in the Teddy Roosevelt tradition, not so much the Reagan) which leaves Santorum as the religious crusader hell bent on expanding government into your bedroom and killing the infidels abroad (in the Pat Robertson tradition).  I discount Santorum because his voting base could never expand beyond the straight party line voter and with his history of big-spending and bigotry that's not even a guarantee.



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"Newtmentum". Gingrinch will win the SC primary on his response from the opening question about his second wife speaking out. The crowd just ate it up. A home run. Romney is very uncomfortable about his wealth and it shows as he stumbles and mumbles on the topic. Romney seems to become more disingenuous and awkward as this race goes on. The longer this goes the worst it is for Willard.
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Are we seeing a mini version of what's been going on in general in this race?  It seems that Sanitorium might have actually been the winner by a slight margin in Iowa.  Romdroid got New Hampshire.  Gingrinch will probably get.  SC.  So Florida then Nevada, then Maine.  Anyone want to predict who's up next and if Paul will score one of those?

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For those who don't know Gary Johnson: He's immensely popular in the state of New Mexico and could swing the election in that state.
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Now if Obama picked up a trumpet and blasted some Miles Davis.  I'd be impressed even more.
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Originally posted by James James wrote:

Now if Obama picked up a trumpet and blasted some Miles Davis.  I'd be impressed even more.

At the same time in the back, he primes the pump for an even worse financial crisis!!
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Originally posted by cannon cannon wrote:

Gingrinch will win the SC primary on his response from the opening question about his second wife speaking out. The crowd just ate it up. A home run.


As much as I dislike Newt, he's right: the question had no business being asked at all in a debate, let alone as the opening question.

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Romdroid got New Hampshire.


You know, those comics are usually pretty lame, but that one was actually quite amusing.
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Originally posted by Gamemako Gamemako wrote:

Originally posted by cannon cannon wrote:

Gingrinch will win the SC primary on his response from the opening question about his second wife speaking out. The crowd just ate it up. A home run.


As much as I dislike Newt, he's right: the question had no business being asked at all in a debate, let alone as the opening question.

 
Unless you pay them to say it first so you can recite your staff-written angry response.
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Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Unless you pay them to say it first so you can recite your staff-written angry response.


I doubt it. Sounded like Newt being Newt. He doesn't even have to script that kind of stuff. The man sees an opportunity and latches on like a pit bull on a toddler's throat. I'm sure he was prepared to answer the question at some point, but the intro which garnered so much attention was probably all spur-of-the-moment hot-headed Newt.
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I think it's fair game if you propose to be about/spout family values and play up to that part of the base. I do agree though that the first question shouldn't have been about that. But hey...I'm sure there'll be 48,031 more debates where he can be asked other questions first.
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an "open marriage" LOL   ..what a newt
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Originally posted by Gamemako Gamemako wrote:

Originally posted by cannon cannon wrote:

Gingrinch will win the SC primary on his response from the opening question about his second wife speaking out. The crowd just ate it up. A home run.


As much as I dislike Newt, he's right: the question had no business being asked at all in a debate, let alone as the opening question.

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Romdroid got New Hampshire.


You know, those comics are usually pretty lame, but that one was actually quite amusing.

I can't agree with the first part, I've been a fan of Tom's for years.  You might try this one:
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By the way, if you don't want to answer a question, attack the media.  Newt said he was going to respond and responded by dodging it.  And of course he got rousing applause, you can never lose currency with a republican audience by doing so. Wink


Edited by Slartibartfast - January 20 2012 at 20:05
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Indeed, I'm sick of this sh*t.

"We need someone who can beat OBAMA!"
"We have someone!  He's just like OBAMA!"
"Is he Republican?"
"Yes!"
"Super!"

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Mittens may have a checkered past, but he's run pretty hard to the right for this race. But I'm really just annoyed because I cannot stand to listen to Newt Gingrich talk for much longer.
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