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Posted: January 19 2012 at 10:56

Even with just 4 contestants they will probably manage to give Ron Paul about 2 minutes total time...

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Posted: January 19 2012 at 11:02

Santorum

Gingrich

Paul

Romney

GOP, you've got to be kidding me.

You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.

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Posted: January 19 2012 at 12:40

I agree with 3/4 of that. Not sure who you'd like to see in the race, though. Palin? Christy? Ryan? Rubio? Nothing good there.

Time always wins.

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Posted: January 19 2012 at 12:46

I don't think Paul should be president, but I think it's good to have a guy like him on the inside contributing to the discussion. Even if elected, the legislature would fight him so hard that we'd have 4 years of inaction.

I just want a candidate that, if they won, could actually captain the ship without running it aground.

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Posted: January 19 2012 at 14:41

I don't believe there'd be inaction because, even with neocons fighting tooth and nail to retain some power, the majority of rank and file party members will always fall into line behind the president. In this way he is uniquely qualified to build a coalition in congress to advance civil liberties and roll back the empire. His fiscal policy would be more difficult because it would be opposed accross the board by the democratic party but through various appointments and ridding us of past executive orders things would gradual move forward. In the end, though, just having a Ron Paul occupying the greatest PR position in the world would be huge in returning and advancing the ideals of liberty.

It really tells you how tight a grasp the neocons have over the republican party that they would rather ignore a chance to grab the current generation of young voters and further drive themselves into minority party status then stop sending soldiers to die for their love of empire. Not that it matters which party has power, at this point, because Obama has been just as big of a wet-dream for neocons like Bill Kristol as W was. Anything they say in public to the contrary is just to continue misleading the people.

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Posted: January 19 2012 at 15:11

Well as you know, I neither have faith in the free market nor do I put personal liberty as the highest ideal. I think it will take more than simply relaxing top down control to get our society to right itself. I think relaxing restrictions without culture change could make things worse at least right now. For this reason I don't support a libertarian for chief executive.

Romney might have had something to offer...but he will basically say anything to get votes right now. I have no idea what kind of leader he'd really be.

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Posted: January 19 2012 at 18:17

Gingreech may be rising the SC polls, but between the Perry endorsement and his last wife coming out about why she divorced I think he's going down like Bobby Brown.

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Posted: January 19 2012 at 18:33

I think it says a great deal about the Republican party that an obvious question-evading weasel and a "pro-family" two-timing two-time divorcee are still serious contenders. Ermm

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Posted: January 19 2012 at 19:07

Watching the debate (I guess I'm a debate-junkie). Damn, can't avoid to think of the word "fake" when I see Romney. Can't.

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Posted: January 19 2012 at 19:24

For the inevitable question of Gingrich's marital problems, will we get:

A) Angry Newt who loathes the media, or
B) Contrite Newt who went to God for forgiveness.

We got A, and how!

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Posted: January 19 2012 at 19:56

I thought Clinton getting rim jobs from a 25 year old in the Oval Office rendered this kind of attack useless thereafter. Guess not.

I hope he wins SC just to piss people off, but I hope he's not the nominee. I do think Romney would be a better president and a more level headed decision maker. Also Romney is the only one left who can actually beat Obama.

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Posted: January 19 2012 at 20:18

Ok Santorum, who was not so atrocious as always until now, finally has come clean: he will regulate the internet. He will become the Über-Admin to out admins...

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Posted: January 19 2012 at 20:36

Finnforest wrote:

I thought Clinton getting rim jobs from a 25 year old in the Oval Office rendered this kind of attack useless thereafter. Guess not.

I hope he wins SC just to piss people off, but I hope he's not the nominee. I do think Romney would be a better president and a more level headed decision maker. Also Romney is the only one left who can actually beat Obama.

Jim, is that because Romney is a "lubed weathervane?" Do you like Romney, or is he just the guy to be a Republican president?

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Posted: January 19 2012 at 20:48

As always, Ron lectured Santorum, now on abortion.

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Posted: January 19 2012 at 20:52

Right now, no, I don't like the weathervanes and the canned answers and walking on eggshells. I really think the campaigning process and the horrid media coverage make it nearly impossible to "like" anyone going through it. I will not be able to really know if I like the guy until I see him in the role...I think there's a chance he could exceed expectations and be a decent prez. But again, way too early for me to judge the guy.

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Posted: January 19 2012 at 21:04

Lawrence O'Donnell is running the highlights now.
So as predictable not much coverage of Paul. What did you Paul supporters like about his performance?

Edited by Slartibartfast - January 19 2012 at 21:21

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Posted: January 19 2012 at 21:29

Epignosis wrote:

I think it says a great deal about the Republican party that an obvious question-evading weasel and a "pro-family" two-timing two-time divorcee are still serious contenders. Ermm

You forgot about the Frothy Mix!

Romney has exactly 0 chance to defeat Obama. He's not going to get the at least 10% of people who see him as no different from Obama. The amount of people who will fall in-line behind the neocon candidate du jour isn't large enough for Romney to win. Whether it's Gingrich or Romeny (Santorum hasn't the slightest hint of national appeal) on the ballot you're getting two progressives in the head to head presidential matchup with 10-20% going to Gary Johnson.

And just watching the post-debate the media is pushing a Gingrich win in SC. Guy's not even on the ballot in his home state yet he's the media's new pet project.

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Posted: January 19 2012 at 21:32

We found this to be the most exciting and enthusiastic of the debates thus far.

I thought Gingrich and Sanrotum were absolutely excellent as politicians. Both were amazing speakers. Romney, while the best looking on stage, impresses me less and less and I truly believe his momentum will collapse. Edit: Not that I liked him before.

I am pleased Ron Paul received less coverage this time around. His dismissal by the media did NOT go unnoticed when the rallying cry of the audience shouted for him to speak when he was overlooked. I believe, with the exception of one flub (going after Santorum about his loyalties to either PA or SC), he had a strong presence and answered quite well, and was well received.

I am wondering if this display of three men fighting each other may sway many to Paul, the loner who was often off camera and visibly overlooked.

Edited by Epignosis - January 19 2012 at 21:34

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Posted: January 19 2012 at 21:38

That's just false MoM. How can you say zero chance when he's already polling even with Barry without having even engaged him yet to any big degree? If he does well, he's got a reasonable chance of winning. Up to 20% for Johnson? Can I have some of that good weed you're hittin? Wink

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Posted: January 19 2012 at 21:40

I don't know, we've already seen the power the media still wields in this process: maintaining Romney as their ideal frontrunner, taking a candidate with no visible support and pushing last minute voters to him in Iowa, bumping Huntsman several % points above what he should have gotten in NH just by whispering surge in relation to his name, and now in South Carolina strengthening the dying progressive's case by making him a human figure instead of the ogre he actually is.

Time always wins.