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dtguitarfan
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 24 2011 Location: Chattanooga, TN Status: Offline Points: 1708 |
Posted: July 18 2013 at 15:37 | ||||||
Have you seen any statistics on poverty these days? Good luck with that. Let me know how it all works out for you. In the meantime, those of us with sense who see that the Kochs could feed the entire planet are going to fix this for you. You can thank us later. |
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Equality 7-2521
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: July 18 2013 at 15:42 | ||||||
So instead of helping people I should bitch about how much money somebody else makes in the hopes that it can be taken from them and funneled through an incredibly inefficient bureaucratic channel to pay for war and political kickbacks before finally finding its way into a welfare program where it will eventually leak to someone who needs the help if the program isn't actually just a veiled form a political/corporate welfare? Oh okay. |
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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dtguitarfan
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 24 2011 Location: Chattanooga, TN Status: Offline Points: 1708 |
Posted: July 18 2013 at 15:53 | ||||||
We're already in political/corporate warfare. And the corporations are winning. Now it's time to fight back. But you'd rather the government lie down and die so we can bow to our new masters, the Kochs. |
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Equality 7-2521
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: July 18 2013 at 15:57 | ||||||
As long as we're making largely inaccurate statements, you evidently care more about your political ideology then actually helping people, where you want some nebulous governmental structure to help people for you.
Somehow that' not callous, but my statements were. |
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Epignosis
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32550 |
Posted: July 18 2013 at 16:23 | ||||||
Say Geoff, could you show me just one government that has fed the entire planet? |
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Epignosis
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32550 |
Posted: July 18 2013 at 16:32 | ||||||
They're largely on the same team.
How? General Soros? |
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Ambient Hurricanes
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 25 2011 Location: internet Status: Offline Points: 2549 |
Posted: July 18 2013 at 16:44 | ||||||
It depends upon the situation. I hold to libertarianism on principle and not merely on pragmatic grounds, so I would recommend it to any society; however, I would not advocate the sudden imposition of libertarianism on any society, change needs to be gradual. Sometimes drastic things have to be done (for example I would argue that the US needs to go through another depression in order to really fix their system) but in general gradual change is more advisable. The answer to your question would depend on many other factors. Is the economy locally based or based in big business? Is there a lot of violence going on? What is the current state of the government? Has the government created monopolies that could take decades to collapse? There's a lot more to it than how rich and prosperous the country is. |
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dtguitarfan
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 24 2011 Location: Chattanooga, TN Status: Offline Points: 1708 |
Posted: July 18 2013 at 17:15 | ||||||
I'm aware of that, which is why I hate the Republican party. The Democrats weren't much better for a while, but many of them woke up.
You have no idea who I am. You have no idea what kinds of extracurricular activities I'm involved in. But here's a thought for you - I have been involved in helping my community. And I could do a whole lot more if it weren't for the fact that I'm an indentured servant who's going to be paying back his damn student loans for the next few decades. Class warfare DOES exist. And the war is being won by the rich. So let's just get rid of the only agency that can possibly give us little people a chance, eh? Let's just lie down and die for them so they can walk all over our dead bodies, huh? |
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Epignosis
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32550 |
Posted: July 18 2013 at 17:21 | ||||||
Pour money on me and I'd wake up too. |
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dtguitarfan
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 24 2011 Location: Chattanooga, TN Status: Offline Points: 1708 |
Posted: July 18 2013 at 17:40 | ||||||
Oh yeah, 'cuz everyone knows it's the Democrats who are raking in all the dough from the rich donors, not the Republic....oh wait. Tell me again why it is you're against the idea of campaigns being financed by taxes and keeping the big donations out of it? Also, I'd like to request that you stay true to your principles. You're against redistribution, eh? Well then I must request you shut down your circulatory system, as it is constantly redistributing oxygen and nutrients to all the cells in your body. Also, you're against regulation, eh? Well, then I must demand you shut down your immune system as well as your nervous system. Enough with the individualism. Yeah, we're individuals. Like cells in a body. And what happens when one small group of cells starts grabbing up all the nutrients and refusing to share with the rest of the body? It's called cancer. But oh no, it would be wrong to do anything to fight cancer, eh? |
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Epignosis
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32550 |
Posted: July 18 2013 at 17:51 | ||||||
Did I tell you a first time?
Oh dear. Well, that wouldn't be very good for me, now would it?
Small group of cells? So...like...not individuals. A group. Got it. Edited by Epignosis - July 18 2013 at 17:52 |
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Finnforest
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Posted: July 18 2013 at 17:53 | ||||||
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Equality 7-2521
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: July 18 2013 at 19:08 | ||||||
Yeah. I kinda said already that my statement was inaccurate. But then you shouldn't go around dissuading people from personal action. Nor should you make the absurd statements about Libertarians that you did. Straw men. Straw men. Let me know when you want to have a real discussion. |
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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dtguitarfan
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 24 2011 Location: Chattanooga, TN Status: Offline Points: 1708 |
Posted: July 18 2013 at 20:02 | ||||||
Let me know when you're ready to give up rigid idealism and hatred for any kind of governmental action whatsoever and we can talk. |
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Epignosis
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32550 |
Posted: July 18 2013 at 20:12 | ||||||
You keep coming in here to talk to us.
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rogerthat
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
Posted: July 18 2013 at 20:14 | ||||||
Because you could say there is equilibrium in social order when the country is still very young and most of it is unexplored. Um, like when a newly developed planned city is occupied by the public, the first generation is anxious to maintain some decorum and hygiene, so daily life is orderly. As it gets crowded and the demographic homogeneity is lost, newer entrants don't care about all that. They only came because they could get reasonably sized dwelling units for an affordable price. I am talking, as it were, about that part of Mumbai that I live in. I think this also indirectly addresses why immigration is a pain point in advanced societies. But once you have established that this is Rome and this is what we the Romans do, it is easier to experiment with deregulation.
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rogerthat
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
Posted: July 18 2013 at 20:33 | ||||||
This is exactly what I think would happen and I just think the 'eventuality' takes too long to materialize. And coming to MS...
It would be a long time before Apple could make a dent in emerging markets. The US has always had Apple fans and people working in creative industries prefer Macs (but that is a niche requirement). And I suspect the only reason people would still buy a Mac is because Mac compatible MS Office packages are also available. So even if Mac preys into their OS business, replacing Office could take a very long time. Nothing short of an event that would completely kill the PC market. By which time, we might have had three decades of total MS domination. That might not be a long time in history but that is almost the entire working life of a person. I guess people who started working in the 90s won't even know a non MS world. The pace of change in that regard is very slow when you compare it to the speed at which IT has generally been evolving for the last two decades. And that is the price we have to pay for monopoly. By the way, none of this is to say that in a licensed market instead of a free one, there would not be monopoly. We Indians experienced Licence Raj in its full glory and would not recommend it to anyone as it created seller's markets everywhere. I want entry into a market to be unfettered. I just want restrictions on marketshare or hostile takeovers. Let the small firm compete with the shark if they want to and let them only sell out on their free will.
Yes, SoS was still available for viewing but the block deal was done to deny it the best screens. Ok, you have to understand a little more of Bollywood dynamics for this. Ek Tha Tiger was a Salman Khan film and usually these dumb and dumber Salman starring action films are assured blockbusters. By contrast, JTJH was a film with a dated storyline and may not have found as many takers had it not been for the block deal. Yes, there's nothing legally wrong there but it is a monopolistic practice. Each film ought to stand on its own in the market, whereas Yashraj has used their clout to push both films on distributors. You cannot tie the right to distribute the film with the obligation to another, that is just blackmail. I will choose if I want to buy either of Civic or Accord. It's none of Honda's business to force me to buy both or none at all. I mean, that actually goes against the principle of choice and monopolies often succeed in extracting agreements that cramp the choice of their suppliers or customers. |
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Equality 7-2521
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: July 18 2013 at 21:09 | ||||||
Neither of those things are true. Though I'm indifferent to whether we talk or not at this point. |
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dtguitarfan
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 24 2011 Location: Chattanooga, TN Status: Offline Points: 1708 |
Posted: July 19 2013 at 05:22 | ||||||
Hey, how funny, this is exactly what I've been trying to get across to the Libertarians in this thread.
Also found out today that Ayn Rand collected Medicare and Social Security. Interesting. Oooh, also, here's how Ayn Rand's philosophy may have killed Sears. FTA:
Queue the "he's not really a Libertarian" response in 3...2... Edited by dtguitarfan - July 19 2013 at 05:23 |
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: July 19 2013 at 05:33 | ||||||
Cue
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What?
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