When Punk was Dead

As I said PP is such a broad church that there are way more than 25 bands to name I didn't put Wire in there purely as they don't figure much in my top 25 - however, they are one of the biggies so perhaps I should have put them in. I did also say I would miss my favourites = The Fall!!! Doh! Apologies to all the Fall fans out there (I know there are several).

Punk is Dead is the title of a song by Crass (who could arguably be PP too). It's an argument that has been going on since Punk began lol. But the point, my point is, these are the bands that came around when that debate started. Although, Sex Gang Children were labelled 'Positive Punk' at the time (along with Bauhaus) by some music jorno, but the label didn't last long and those bands mainly ended up absorbed into what we commonly call Goth these days.

Kati wrote: I am at a lost here, unless anyone has great suggestions for me to listen to and prove me wrong. I find punk noisy, going no where just a bunch of gajan... gajan... gaja... sounding guitar strumming, plus singing, no structure, no layers nothing and that's it.

What do you want help with Kati? None (see above) of these bands are punk bands. If you want the less noisy variety then check out Cocteaus and Dead Can Dance and The Cure. All of which are brilliant. DCD are on PA. Steer clear of The Fall as they are noisy but of course, brilliant too and one day you might find yourself in a Mark E Smith zone. Variety is the Spice of Life.

Have you heard The Return of the Raga Rockers David (Guldbamsen( Roony the Blue Eyed Moose)

Edited by aginor - March 08 2014 at 03:24

Theatre of Hate see again, I am my own worst enemy.

(This is not a suggestion for you Kati avoid they are noisy types)

aginor wrote: Have you heard The Return of the Raga Rockers David (Guldbamsen( Roony the Blue Eyed Moose)

Guldbamsen wrote: aginor wrote: Have you heard The Return of the Raga Rockers David (Guldbamsen( Roony the Blue Eyed Moose) No I haven't - even the name doesn't ring a bell

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Kati wrote: I am at a lost here, unless anyone has great suggestions for me to listen to and prove me wrong. I find punk noisy, going no where just a bunch of gajan... gajan... gaja... sounding guitar strumming, plus singing, no structure, no layers nothing and that's it.

Yes, that's about right. Nothing more iconic and dreadful at the same time as the Pistols record. God, that's noisy. Of course there was pub rock as well. 2 guitars, bass, vocals and insistent confomist dullness. The Soviet Union of rock and roll.

Magazine have some interesting moments, reallythe new wave was the art rock arm of punk (sort of quietly re-beginning harmonic adventures). Musicians who wanted to do more than what the Sex Dunce Pistols insisted everyone do. The Cure are fine, in fact some extended works on some of the deluxe editions Faith is recommended. Great bass playing as well. Can't quite recommend the live stuff (audio quality wise, bit too bootleg even for me...).

Page and Plant toured with Porl Thompson (The Cure) and did a great version of Lullaby on Disintegration (a great symphonic album btw). And to think this was after I had an argument with a Cure fan who thought my championing of anything Zeppelin was stoopid. I merely thought both bands had unique and vital approaches to modern rock and both had (not obvious) but certain commonalities (outside of blues). Then look what happened... Pop politics, ridiculous.

I'm in a fine mood after Seconds Out. Genesis were so... wonderful...

I'm all for rebellious rock and roll (good fun) as well as the civilized stuff. I just get frustrated with someone creating a notion that some music should not be heard or played because of some fashion idea. I blame Malcolm McLaren (who made some really awful records as well.) e.g. Buffalo Girls. (shudder).

Dean wrote: Kati wrote: akamaisondufromage wrote: Kati wrote: I am at a lost here, unless anyone has great suggestions for me to listen to and prove me wrong. I find punk noisy, going no where just a bunch of gajan... gajan... gaja... sounding guitar strumming, plus singing, no structure, no layers nothing and that's it. What do you want help with Kati? None (see above) of these bands are punk bands. If you want the less noisy variety then check out Cocteaus and Dead Can Dance and The Cure. All of which are brilliant. DCD are on PA. Steer clear of The Fall as they are noisy but of course, brilliant too and one day you might find yourself in a Mark E Smith zone. Variety is the Spice of Life. Hello akamaisondufromage, Thank you for your suggestion in regards to the Cure, Cocteaus and Dead can dance I am most curious and will go look right now at them I love instrumentals, with great lead and respond between them inc. just guitars I do not miss vocalists. With Punk I have found that it mostly just playing whatever, I cannot follow it. Again thank you very much, hugs btw doesn't fromage mean cheese in French? You've never heard Lovecats?

listening to lovecats right now Dean, I love the funny noises!!! Ha! This so far I seem to like a lot really

Kati wrote: Guldbamsen wrote: Kati wrote: I am at a lost here, unless anyone has great suggestions for me to listen to and prove me wrong. I find punk noisy, going no where just a bunch of gajan... gajan... gaja... sounding guitar strumming, plus singing, no structure, no layers nothing and that's it. Guldbamsem yay hello you!!! mhwoaaashhxxxxx te tem te ti ti tik tik listening right now but I am a having a bit of difficulty In enjoying this song bah    I am so sorry :(

Great list and you have to draw the line somewhere...

Honourable mentions:

Echo & the Bunnymen
Teardrop Explodes
Television
Monochrome Set
Mighty Lemon Drops
the Fall
the Sound
the Smiths (for Dean)
Tender Lugers
And Also the Trees
Soft Boys
the Go-Betweens