Steven Wilson begging in Facebook

Bonnek wrote: You probably won't have financial difficulties neither if your manager at work tomorrow decides not to pay you anymore for a random number of worked hours. It's not like you'll starve or go broke right. Just eat your soles if you're hungry. Do you even realize what you are saying?

Except in Wilson's case he's still gonna have a bunch of diehard fans who are going to buy it, and plus he can go tour, which is going to bring him a lot more money than record sales.

tszirmay wrote: Back in the Plastic Age  of the 70s, there was no greater buzz than going into a record store (remember those???) , wafts of incense infusing with the heady aroma of vinyl and cardboard (an intoxicating mix) and sucking you into multiple purchases , often based on the cover art (there was no Internet back then, as weird as that may sound to you "younguns"). It was all about physically holding the LP artwork in your hands, looking at the credits, hoping to recognize some musician's name and BOOM, taking the plunge! That's what it was like in 1972, 1973 and 1974, etc...

It's still like that in some places, don't you worry Thomas!
I need the whole package as well. The smell of vinyl, incense and of course the weed coming from a room in the back. I need to talk to the guy behind the counter and torture myself with all his stories from when he lived in Hamburg and saw Floyd, Tangerine Dream and Yes together on stage playing Sinatra tunes. Oh yes these guys have seen it all, and it's part of buying new music imo.

I love coming out of a record shop with two bags of albums - meeting up with some friends, drinking a few beers and diving straight into the velvety black vinyl oceans.

Sumdeus wrote: Bonnek wrote: You probably won't have financial difficulties neither if your manager at work tomorrow decides not to pay you anymore for a random number of worked hours. It's not like you'll starve or go broke right. Just eat your soles if you're hungry. Do you even realize what you are saying? Except in Wilson's case he's still gonna have a bunch of diehard fans who are going to buy it, and plus he can go tour, which is going to bring him a lot more money than record sales.

Sounds like a very typical excuse of a thief trying to rationalize his crime.
The judge will have a good laugh when he hears your plea.

Bonnek wrote: Sounds like a very typical excuse of a thief trying to rationalize his crime. The judge will have a good laugh when he hears your plea.

lol would you please get off your high horse? you are not superior to others because you never download music... and people who do download music are not some terrible criminals. but you do come off as quite the ass when you act all high and mighty.

also, I guess a lot of you are unaware but there are actually a lot of people who download something online first to make sure they like it and then go buy it. It's not that uncommon. wouldn't you want to preview the music to make sure you really dig it before you go spend your hard earned money on a physical product?


Edited by Sumdeus - February 24 2013 at 15:41

No, Wilson is making money on touring because that is the main source of revenue for musicians today and only a small percentage of the money from record sales goes to the actual musician who made the music.... jesus you guys are so stuck on this one singular view...

also let me ask you this... how do you guys feel about libraries? people being able to walk in and just check out books for free, isn't it terrible? they should be going to the bookstore and spending money on it! and what about back in the day when cassette trading was big? wasn't that another atrocity? people making unofficial tapes and trading it, all this music being shared without everyone going to stores to spend money! the horror!

I am of the opinion that ones makes any sort of art with the purpose of people experiencing it and reacting to it. I would not care if they experience it for free or after spending money at a store. If your main concern with your art is how you're gonna profit from it you're doing it oh so wrong.


Edited by Sumdeus - February 24 2013 at 15:47

I buy hard copies to support my musicians and artists.  It's just the right thing to do.  If I were a downloader, I'd by it from them directly whenever possible.  I'm not going to be able to afford it for a while and I wish I had funds for the deluxe version of this album, but that's life.   It would be nice if I could sample it in its entirety on streaming, though.

Sumdeus wrote: No, Wilson is making money on touring because that is the main source of revenue for musicians today and only a small percentage of the money from record sales goes to the actual musician who made the music.... jesus you guys are so stuck on this one singular view... also let me ask you this... how do you guys feel about libraries? people being able to walk in and just check out books for free, isn't it terrible? they should be going to the bookstore and spending money on it! and what about back in the day when cassette trading was big? wasn't that another atrocity? people making unofficial tapes and trading it, all this music being shared without everyone going to stores to spend money! the horror! I am of the opinion that ones makes any sort of art with the purpose of people experiencing it and reacting to it. I would not care if they experience it for free or after spending money at a store. If your main concern with your art is how you're gonna profit from it you're doing it oh so wrong.

There is a significant difference in scale between make a few copies amongst friends or taking out a library book compared to mass downloading to thousands of people.

If an artist wants to give away their art for free I'm all for that, but it's the artists choice not the consumers, you may want to give it away for free terrific, more power to you. If the artist wants paying its not the consumers right to say "f**k off this should be free so I'm taking it anyway"

Metalmarsh89 wrote: This makes me wonder, is there any sort of upward trend in concert attendance from the 1970's up to now? Is my theory accurate?

coasterzombie wrote: I'm not a huge fan of his work (PT is okay), but listening to a leak beforehand can definitely affect your long-term enjoyment of an album...I agree with Steven's standpoint and think more artists should stand up against this annoying trend.

Edited by zumacraig - February 24 2013 at 21:42

Barbu wrote: Downloaders beware :