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Snow Dog
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
Posted: May 02 2012 at 14:08 | |
^Wow. Just never noticed that.
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Angelo
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13244 |
Posted: May 02 2012 at 15:01 | |
Noticed what?
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ISKC Rock Radio
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Textbook
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 08 2009 Status: Offline Points: 3281 |
Posted: May 02 2012 at 16:51 | |
I got a private message from a higher up saying "thanks for that Textbook, why don't we just let people destroy the site".
This is what I'm talking about. It's a massive over-reaction. Does anyone that the censored posts were, or are capable of, destroying the site?
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Snow Dog
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
Posted: May 02 2012 at 17:09 | |
^I really think I'd better avoid making a comment. Not sure you should reveal a PM but as you didn;t say who its from itsd probably ok
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Snow Dog
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
Posted: May 02 2012 at 17:10 | |
That you were no longer Admin of course.
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Alitare
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 08 2008 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 3595 |
Posted: May 02 2012 at 18:15 | |
Admins are people too, is what the general consensus is. If I knew Dean in person I'd probably develop a contemporary respect for the man. As it stands, I only know him as well as I know most folks on this site. 'Tis a shame, 'cause I imagine I'd have a really good time hanging out with more than a couple people here.
And yeah - comin' straight from da underground.
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Textbook
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 08 2009 Status: Offline Points: 3281 |
Posted: May 02 2012 at 20:14 | |
SD: I believe in transparent government and so I refuse to handle things like this in PM. What are we hiding from people? Here I am, here's the things I say, like them or don't. That's how things should be handled.
If someone says something relevant in a PM, it should be revealed so the dialogue can continue in public. However, as you noted it was sent to me as a PM and so I am not naming the person who said it to respect their wish to be anonymous. But I'm not going to pretend it wasn't said.
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Negoba
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 24 2008 Location: Big Muddy Status: Offline Points: 5208 |
Posted: May 02 2012 at 20:44 | |
Once you've spent some time as one of the real human individuals making decisions for groups of people, you'll get a little bit of what's going on.
It's quite difficult to be even handed and generous when those you're making decisions for are petty and adolescent. Much easier if they are simply friendly adults. Common courtesy is common for a reason. Keeping dirty laundry private is more to protect folks like you than those in charge.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Atavachron
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Online Points: 65268 |
Posted: May 02 2012 at 20:47 | |
I think it may be more that you should not criticize anyone; members, Collabs, Admin, whomever-- seriously, what has anyone done here - other than artists whose work is on the site or posted in the Forum - that is worth criticism ? People are here to either enjoy or contribute to the site, and neither of those activities warrant a critique. Everyone just does the best they can, and if there's an issue between certain parties than it may need to be resolved. But that is different from issuing a report card, which is more about judgment and narcissism than anything else.
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Man With Hat
Collaborator Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team Joined: March 12 2005 Location: Neurotica Status: Offline Points: 166178 |
Posted: May 02 2012 at 21:26 | |
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
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Henry Plainview
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 26 2008 Location: Declined Status: Offline Points: 16715 |
Posted: May 02 2012 at 23:41 | |
If you're so upset, where were you when I was trying to organize my coup!?
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Textbook
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 08 2009 Status: Offline Points: 3281 |
Posted: May 03 2012 at 06:34 | |
To the person sending me PMs: I'd rather not PM, but I have sent you in compromise. I believe a discussion about the quality of moderation should be had in public. I also believe you hugely misunderstand me. You paint me as some sort of forum destroying villain who has waged a campaign of hate on the mods and wants no moderation at all and that is simply not true. I simply thought that in this instance you got it wrong and I told you so. I didn't ask for anyone to quit, I don't think anyone needs to quit, I was just going "Hey, I think that's a bit trigger happy". You're free to reflect on whether that might be true or dismiss it. I'm not your boss, but I use the site, I give it traffic, I'm feeding back on how it's run. Maybe I don't deliver that feedback in the most ideal way possible but why should I be expected to, no one's an ideal person.
As for your assault on my character, it's true that I come across as acerbic because I don't self-censor and water down my opinions to make sure they make everybody feel cosy. I call it honesty, you can call it being obnoxious or arrogant. I'm comfortable with that, it's not a "one must fall" situation. Edited by Textbook - May 03 2012 at 06:58 |
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Horizons
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 20 2011 Location: Somewhere Else Status: Offline Points: 16952 |
Posted: May 03 2012 at 07:28 | |
Head Admin Henry.
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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npjnpj
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 05 2007 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2720 |
Posted: May 03 2012 at 07:39 | |
I can't
find a single thing wrong about how the admins here handle any situations. |
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dreadpirateroberts
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 27 2011 Location: AU Status: Offline Points: 952 |
Posted: May 03 2012 at 07:42 | |
My concern with what you're doing is that I don't believe you're close to achieving what you want to with your efforts, which makes your behavior appear delusional. I would also argue that rather than being a 'strange tack' - a refusal to engage with your OP is a comment all on its own. Edited by dreadpirateroberts - May 03 2012 at 07:44 |
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We are men of action. Lies do not become us.
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Textbook
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 08 2009 Status: Offline Points: 3281 |
Posted: May 03 2012 at 07:46 | |
Npjnpj: I post on lots of other forums- this would easily be the most conservative of them in terms of moderation. In fact, that is the basis of the complaint in the first place. It is just simply not true, at all, that on any other forum I would have my knee caps removed for saying "Hey I don't think that should've been modded". I think your impression of me is coloured by that Beastie Boys thread and I think you are the slimey one who simply posted to show how on message you are.
Anyway, I'm fine with letting this go now. I had a complaint, it was heard. If people keep saying things here I'll keep responding, but otherwise, show's over.
Edited by Textbook - May 03 2012 at 07:50 |
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Textbook
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 08 2009 Status: Offline Points: 3281 |
Posted: May 03 2012 at 07:48 | |
Robert: Alright, I'm a crazy person. The moderation is infallible and no one should ever say otherwise because it's just not possible that a well-meaning mod might get a bit heavy-handed. The day is saved. Woohoo. Pats on the back all round.
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Smurph
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 11 2012 Location: Columbus&NYC Status: Offline Points: 3167 |
Posted: May 03 2012 at 07:50 | |
Well that sucks that the show's over... I love drama. |
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Snow Dog
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
Posted: May 03 2012 at 07:52 | |
I do understand what you mean Textbook I really do. I actually agree with what you are saying. I don't see anything you posted as being too bad. But that's me. I have had many posts hidden too. i didn't agree with them too. Some that were hidden i just plainly didn't see the reason at all.
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Textbook
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 08 2009 Status: Offline Points: 3281 |
Posted: May 03 2012 at 07:52 | |
Also, in fairness of disclosing PMs, I also got one from a prominent user who says he agrees with me that the moderation is too conservative but that the place seems to be incapable of having a dialogue about it so he's kept his mouth shut. I'm sure you'll all think I am making that PM up but I am *not*.
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