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boo boo

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Posted: July 02 2005 at 11:02

nevermind this post.

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Posted: July 02 2005 at 11:15

Here's what so many people who listen to punk need to know: Without the Who, we'd probably never have punk in the 1st place. They were the 1st punk band, period. And yet the author knocks them. Yeah, they did create the concept album, but they didn't "kill" the 3 minute pop song. Most of their catalog has a few longer songs, but most stay in the 3-4 minute range. I hate that all these people who call the Who pretensious.

And since when were the Doors not considered "decadent". Morrison thought he was Dyonisis!

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Posted: July 02 2005 at 12:21

boo boo wrote:

At worse whimsical and lyrically embarrassing.. Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds....wow LSD. They were clever boys to write that !

Well... the person who wrote this didn't knew much, I found incorrect information in all the discriptions of the bands above though this one about the Beatles I thought everyone knew... right away I saw it I laughed like a madman.

The lyrics is crazy though it had absolutely nothing to do with LSD at all.

Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds was a picture drawn by Julian Lennon and when John asked him what it was Julian said: Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds.

Then John made a song out of it... I don't think little Julian had LSD on his mind, I've seen the picture too... looks like a flying woman surrounded by stars...

Can also say that www.allmusic.com often is wrong with band information, saw the info of how Iron Butterfly came up with the title: In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida and they're so wrong on that side... though this song is about LSD and tripping... though everyone knew this.

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Posted: July 02 2005 at 12:59

for begining I agree with BaldFriede. "Bands like Genesis and Yes indeed had turned into dinosaurs, and it is no wonder that the rise of punk coincided with the creative decline of Genesis, Yes, ELP and other bands. And there was a creative decline! They had sold out."

Second.
Most of you people are wrong. The fact is that you do not understand PUNK movement, as punks does not understand PROG movement. It is basicaly the same. True PUNK and PROG (Dead Kennedys(NOT Sex Pistols), GBH, The CLASH(NOT NO-FX, or some other pop-punk), Early Yes, Genesis, Rush...)contradict to pop music, punk with its atitute (PUNK is not music, its just muvement), prog with its music.

This guy, who wrote that article, he did't ctritisize the prog music, he critisized some of prog artists and their thinking. For examle The Beatles (or Metallica nowadays), who were making their albums to earn lots of money. That pisses him off.

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Posted: July 02 2005 at 14:09

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Posted: July 02 2005 at 14:29

I agree, especially when he said Phil Collins is the Anti Christ...

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Posted: July 02 2005 at 16:03

The Miracle wrote:

EVERYONE GO HERE

You cant send hate mail to someone for expressing an opinion about his taste in music.

Whatever happened to freedom of speech.....?

Peace.

No seriously,this kind of person always wants to impose his own taste in music on other people,that's all.His basic argument appears to be that "pop" songs shouldnt be more than 3 mins long and should be based on basic "rock n roll" chord progressions.Which means that by about 1970 all that could be said and played would have been done,to death.
Everyone has the right to be culturally vacuous,this guy just takes it to extremes.

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Posted: July 02 2005 at 17:19

Ignore it. One of the most eclectric music magazine around Wire, did a mindless A to Z of progressive rock about 10 years ago, and couldn't say anything good about the music. Mainstream magazine like Q took the piss. Mojo treated Van Der Graaf as a joke about 6 years ago. It reflects for 20 years that the punkjournalists and other writers were (and some still are) holding the power in the media - the evidence that they wrote nonsense, poorly considered, usually 2nd hand rubbish is that the best of prog survived and seems to be thriving again, and only the very best of punk survives.

Watching a documentary on the Clash not so long ago Mick Jones said his brother played him a Yes album before Clash were formed. His reaction, living as he did in a poor part of the east end of London, unemployed and a bleak-looking future, was "What the f*** has this music got to do with me or the life around me?". A valid point. Punk then was youth trying to get they ideas across and simplistically. Punks now is a fashion statement, made by people of few ideas, none of their own.

Too much popular music is made for the moment, and it is daft to pretend it will be listened to in 20 years time let alone 200.

However, punk musicians listen to prog - we have all heard now that Johnny Rotten played Van der Graaf, Siouxie & the Banshees did covers of late 60's hits

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Posted: July 02 2005 at 17:21

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Unsurprisingly Gabriel left the band only to be replaced by something far worse in the shape of the scheming and diminutive Phil Collins who took over and tuned them into a withering bland AOR machine b4 going solo and torturing us with even more 80's style blandness, bad fashion and songs about his wife shagging some other bloke. Phil Collins is without doubt the Anti Christ. Destroy all Genesis and Phil Collins records.			Which one looks the stupidest? above or below?

Hahahah he said "shag", just like austin powers!!

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Posted: July 02 2005 at 17:25

What that person wrote about prog, you can do the same thing with any genre of music. Let the little bastard enjoy his punk music...

boo boo

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Posted: July 02 2005 at 22:23

bogdan. wrote:

for begining I agree with BaldFriede. "Bands like Genesis and Yes indeed had turned into dinosaurs, and it is no wonder that the rise of punk coincided with the creative decline of Genesis, Yes, ELP and other bands. And there was a creative decline! They had sold out."

Second.
Most of you people are wrong. The fact is that you do not understand PUNK movement, as punks does not understand PROG movement. It is basicaly the same. True PUNK and PROG (Dead Kennedys(NOT Sex Pistols), GBH, The CLASH(NOT NO-FX, or some other pop-punk), Early Yes, Genesis, Rush...)contradict to pop music, punk with its atitute (PUNK is not music, its just muvement), prog with its music.

This guy, who wrote that article, he did't ctritisize the prog music, he critisized some of prog artists and their thinking. For examle The Beatles (or Metallica nowadays), who were making their albums to earn lots of money. That pisses him off.

im sorry but i disagree...when the beatles made revolver and sgt pepper they were breaking away from their old formula, their ambition was not to make money because their new music wasnt commercial, their ambition was to break musicial boundrys, which they did...if punk rockers hate prog because they dont understand it, i wouldnt be surprised, they probably have the incapability, it may be because they lack the intellect or brain cells to understand the meaning of prog or the ambitions of progs greatest bands, perhaps because they dont like songs with big words that they dont know how to spell, pronounce or understand...ok, thats enough laughing at the expense of punk for me...also im pretty sure that guy was bashing prog.

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Posted: July 02 2005 at 23:29

From what I understand it isnt prog he dislikes it bands that break the mould and try something different. im surprised hes a punk fan and not an ac/dc (the band that admitted they are making the same album every year) fan

boo boo

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Posted: July 02 2005 at 23:54

Hangedman wrote:

From what I understand it isnt prog he dislikes it bands that break the mould and try something different. im surprised hes a punk fan and not an ac/dc (the band that admitted they are making the same album every year) fan

hey i like ac/dc. =(

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Posted: July 03 2005 at 00:38

They had some good things to say about Hawkwind at least...

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Posted: July 03 2005 at 00:59

boo boo wrote:

hey i like ac/dc. =(

dont worry about it, hells bells is awesome

boo boo

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Posted: July 03 2005 at 01:02

kingofbizzare wrote:

They had some good things to say about Hawkwind at least...

i know, kinda hypocritical how he poked fun at yes for how they dress on stage yet he praises hawkwind and devo...makes no sense...im also curious about why he didnt mention pink floyd whatsoever, after all...they were the biggest target for the sex pistols.

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Posted: July 03 2005 at 01:06

That guy seems to love Hawkwind and Roxy Music....umm...Art Rock.
He's clearly a total loser!

A friend of mine said she liked "Art Punk"...eh?!!! That's a contradiction!

And Jesus said unto John, "come forth and receive eternal life..."
Unfortunately, John came fifth and was stuck with a toaster.

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Posted: July 03 2005 at 01:08

Rob The Good wrote:

That guy seems to love Hawkwind and Roxy Music....umm...Art Rock.
He's clearly a total loser!

A friend of mine said she liked "Art Punk"...eh?!!! That's a contradiction!

and hypocritical, the guy who wrote this article says musicians shouldnt try to make art, which is exactly what hawkwind, roxy music, david bowie, velvet underground, television and nirvana all make.

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Posted: July 03 2005 at 02:52

I think that the punk was necessary to put prog into its place which is not the mainstream.
Secondly, punk has sold out and is an extinct form of music because all new punk sounds the same
And last of all Crass was an art punk band
Punk has died but prog still continues!!!

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Posted: July 03 2005 at 02:55

king of Siam wrote:

I think that the punk was necessary to put prog into its place which is not the mainstream.
Secondly, punk has sold out and is an extinct form of music because all new punk sounds the same
And last of all Crass was an art punk band
Punk has died but prog still continues!!!

funny, thats not what rolling stone, spin or blender says, according to them, prog is dead and punk still lives.