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Bonnek ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 01 2009 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 4521 |
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^^ I do say the craziest things ![]() But you phrase very aptly what I was trying to say in that one-liner. I do like our sub-genres as they give an idea of what sound/style to expect, but they are not an end in themselves. And besides, Symphonic is exactly where I'd expect Townscream to be. Edited by Bonnek - November 15 2011 at 16:02 |
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harmonium.ro ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 18 2008 Location: Anna Calvi Status: Offline Points: 22989 |
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Great posts David.
I'll agree with those who see Townscream as a symphonic prog based prog band with a lot of other influences like Classical and Folk (similar to After Crying and Harmonium). Given the decision of the Symphonic Prog Team, I'll pass the band further to the Eclectic Prog Team. |
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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Yam Yam, normally no band is kept outside Prog Archives (If it's Prog, it finds it's place), but the fear of not entering to PA doesn't justify to add a band to Symphonic that all the Symphonic Team members and even Csaba Vedres believe is not even completely prog.
He doesn't talk about Symphonic, he talks about something close to Prog with a Classixcal sound provided by two instruments, he's pristine clear
I honestly believe it's only Prog Related, but my responsibility is limited to Symphonic Prog, if any other team accepts them, i will say nothing, remember, we are three members and the three agree we are not talking about a Symphonic band and at least two not even about a full prog band. Thanks for your comprehension again. Iván
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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And Bonnek, I never tell you what band I expect to see in Prog Metal or heavy Prog, please gives us the same respect.
Iván
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Bonnek ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 01 2009 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 4521 |
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Interesting to see how I should not have an opinion on symphonic. Edited by Bonnek - November 16 2011 at 00:28 |
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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Opinion YES Bonnek
You can say I believe, or I think....But EXACTLY WHERE I EXPECT TO SEE THEM is not an opinion only.sounds almost as an order
Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - November 16 2011 at 08:23 |
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Tony R ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11979 |
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Does any band these days come out theses days and say "we are Progressive Rock"? I think when he says "perhaps closest to Progressive Rock" he's trying not to pigeonhole the music and I am sorry Ivan but your use of English here is either lacking or disingenuous.He is in fact saying that they are Prog Rock but there is "more" to their music.
This band is a Symphonic Prog band if I ever saw one. For heaven's sake, this is like some mad dream.... |
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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Tony, I don't understand why can't we have our own criteria. Two out of three sites say it's not Symphonic (They point towards Eclectic or Xover) and the three members of the team say it's not Symphonic, we have to fight the case. This is clear for us This is not Symphonic here or in China, it's some sort of electronic Folk. This is some sort of World Music in the vein of peter Gabriel, not Symphonic at all . This is not Symphonic, this is somne sort of Jazzy ELP influenced Folk song Pastoral Folksy acoustic track, nice but not Symph Please, we have listened all the tracks Iván
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Angelo ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13244 |
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As long as he write _where_I_expect_ I'd sat he's still only expressing his opinion. Would be different if he had written something like 'where anyone would expect'. Let's stick to the content, apparently there are some people who have a different opinion than the symphonic team - that's fine, as long as it's discussed in a civil manner. If every post is going to be evaluated word for word to find possible underlying motives, I'll put a lock on this.
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Finnforest ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 17298 |
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Just a suggestion, but I would think that this conversation would be best moved to the CZ now.
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Epignosis ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32553 |
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The Eclectic Team has (from the time I've been on the team) a fairly liberal attitude toward suggestions. We (each individual team member) rarely use the "No" vote (i.e., not prog at all). We do use the "move" vote rather often, and sometimes when no other team will accept the band, we adopt it, hoping it can be moved to a more appropriate subgenre later (if another would have it). I'm checking out this group now, so I'll let you know what I think. |
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Epignosis ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32553 |
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I completely agree with Ivan. This is hardly symphonic prog. It is however, Eclectic prog I say.
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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After all the "problems" made about us rejecting TOWNSCREAM from Symphonic, Robert from the Eclectic team seems to agree with us:
Please guys, we listen all the albums before we give an opinion, sometimes one track or two (As in the case of Guruh Gipsy also accepted by Eclectic), may sound close to Symphonic, but when you listen all the album, it sounds like something completely different. Please Bonnek, Tony, NotaProghead, trust us, we know our job and we are very careful when analyzing a band. (Don't mention Yam Yam, because we talked a lot about the issue y pleasant and interesting PM's) We may have different perspectives about where the band should go, but our only job is to say yes or no to Symphonic, and if you check Robert's arguments arguments, all of them are very close to ours (Including the Peter Gabriel lime music). Thanks and patience for those who suggest bands, be sure we will always do our best. Iván
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Scandal?
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What?
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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Well, small conflict. ![]() I received some pretty strong PM's (Not from YAM YAM, he was very nice or from the guys I mentioned). Iván
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NotAProghead ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Errors & Omissions Team Joined: October 22 2005 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 7942 |
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Iván, your post disarmes me, really. ![]() I have no problem if Townscream will be in Eclectic. But we definitely have different views, I feel this band is more symphonic than something else. This remark by Tony R shows that I'm not alone:
In another post you've said that your team is going to move After Crying to different genre. I can't understand this. In my opinion this band is more symphonic than Yes and Genesis together. No battles or scandal, I'm only trying to understand Symphonic team criteria.
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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NotAProghead, I posted 4 songs in a previous post, none of them is Symphonic, this means at least 50% of the album is not Symphonic
Almost every site calls the Eclectic. Robert from the Eclectic Team admits the band is not Symphonic:
What else do you ask? Iván |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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^ well, not that, that's for sure.
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Bonnek ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 01 2009 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 4521 |
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I can't think of any ELP album that doesn't have at least a couple of songs that are not symphonic (let alone Prog). Same goes for Yes and Genesis, who both had their heavy Prog moments as well as lot of pop influences. Yes even flirted with jazz on occasion. Could be an interesting winter... |
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Epignosis ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32553 |
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Other moments are incidental. I can't think of any symphonic bands with more than two albums that are "purely" symphonic. The same can go for many other genres.
When I judge whether or not a band is Eclectic prog or not, I ask these questions: 1) Do single albums or tracks manifest multiple (i.e., more than two) genres of music on a rather consistent basis? 2) Does the band display radical shifts in sound throughout their discography (like King Crimson) while still remaining prog? Townscream satisfied #1, so I voted Yes for Eclectic. |
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