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Posted: April 08 2011 at 21:41
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
For people that have never seen YES, this is a good thing. It is a chance to re-connect with a band that did do a lot of nice things, albeit, at this point, I am not sure that I would want to hear the hits again, which are overplayed and overheard and ... I'm bored with!
I can not comment on Oliver and what happened to him. I can imagine, however, that he is probably too young and not as well versed in the arts of the keyboard to be able to do things well enough and consistently ... but that is a supposition and not necessarily a reality. He really came into an impossible situation ... but might lack the compositional skills that would naturally help the band do something new? ... who knows ...
I wish them good luck, and hope for the best ... I saw them perform one of the greatest things ever done in rock music at the Long Beach Arena with Tales from Topographic Oceans ... and I still remember the insults in the audience with a couple of kids totally stoned out screaming "rock'n'roll" and one other that screamed "roundabout" as Yes was playing through Part 3 of their opus ...
In the end ... it's not times change ... it's ... we go back and redo our hits yet again. It's the newwave-prog, haven't you heard? ... the old days are coming around ... Buffalo Springfield, and some of those oldies ... and that means that one day we will see Yes do Tales again ... after we're dead, probably! But I have a feeling that's one piece that Chris doesn't like ... because it means he is not a special rock'n'roll bassist anymore?
I think I would rather have tea and a nice and quiet evening with Jon ... I think that we old mountain goats might have a bit more to talk about than some esoteric discussion about proto-prog or some bs-prog ...
I don't think Oliver is any younger than Rick was when Yes recorded Fragile, CttE, and TfTO, nor younger than Rick was when he recorded 6 Wives of Henry the VIII.
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Posted: April 10 2011 at 14:23
Yes is my favorite band, hands down. I love everything they've ever done.
I did see them live last year, and they were brilliant. Shame that Oliver had to go, because he was as good as his dad. That being said, I am a fan of the Drama lineup (have a few boots from that tour), so I'm glad to see Geoff back in the band.
Wish Jon was back in, but maybe he'll be in for the next album and tour! And I will definitely be purchasing Fly From Here.
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Posted: April 11 2011 at 19:05
Dellinger wrote:
I don't think Oliver is any younger than Rick was when Yes recorded Fragile, CttE, and TfTO, nor younger than Rick was when he recorded 6 Wives of Henry the VIII.
Oliver is the first son of Rick Wakeman, but his parents divorced when he was young.
I'm thinking that your information ... is not as good. Oliver would have been a baby during that time with Rick, or just a few years old.
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Posted: April 12 2011 at 06:59
moshkito wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
I don't think Oliver is any younger than Rick was when Yes recorded Fragile, CttE, and TfTO, nor younger than Rick was when he recorded 6 Wives of Henry the VIII.
Oliver is the first son of Rick Wakeman, but his parents divorced when he was young.
I'm thinking that your information ... is not as good. Oliver would have been a baby during that time with Rick, or just a few years old.
I'm thinking that you've misunderstood what he was trying to say.
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Posted: April 13 2011 at 21:35
chopper wrote:
moshkito wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
I don't think Oliver is any younger than Rick was when Yes recorded Fragile, CttE, and TfTO, nor younger than Rick was when he recorded 6 Wives of Henry the VIII.
Oliver is the first son of Rick Wakeman, but his parents divorced when he was young.
I'm thinking that your information ... is not as good. Oliver would have been a baby during that time with Rick, or just a few years old.
I'm thinking that you've misunderstood what he was trying to say.
Indeed, I believe I was misunderstood. Moshkito had stated before that he thought Oliver was too young to be able to prove himself within Yes. However, Oliver's age right now is surely older than his father's age (as well as the rest of the band member's age) when Yes recorder their best accepted albums. I mean, surely right now Oliver is older than 30, perhaps even close to 40. On the other side, all of Yes were in their early 20's while the band was in it's prime, so I don't think Oliver's age has anything to do with whether he is able to prove himself within Yes or not.
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Posted: April 13 2011 at 21:42
Finnforest wrote:
I consider them irrelevant without DeYoung but then I consider Yes irrelevant after Drama. Both bands are casino fare these days.
I couldn't ever be arsed to see Styx, but I will say I've seen some great Yes gigs in the "recent" past, there was a stunning one I saw in DC a number of years ago (8 years? It's all becoming a blur). I think they had Khoroshev on keys and performed Gates of Delirium and I was shocked at how good it was. Although that might have been the last time I saw them.
I don't know how I'd feel about this Benoit David fronted Yes though.
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Posted: April 14 2011 at 00:11
Padraic wrote:
I couldn't ever be arsed to see Styx, but I will say I've seen some great Yes gigs in the "recent" past, there was a stunning one I saw in DC a number of years ago (8 years? It's all becoming a blur). I think they had Khoroshev on keys and performed Gates of Delirium and I was shocked at how good it was. Although that might have been the last time I saw them.
I don't know how I'd feel about this Benoit David fronted Yes though.
Styx hails from these parts (Chicago suburbs), they used to play at the local youth center when I was in high school! I didn't see them until 1973, they were reasonably good (this was the era of their hit single "Lady"), but I never really got into them. They were played to death on local FM radio, I grew mighty sick of "Sail Away" and "Mr. Roboto"...ugh!
There are so many other promising tours going on this summer, it is hard to keep up with them! Peter Gabriel, Asia, Jon Anderson, and many other prog war-horses are hitting the trail as well as this version of Yes. I already voted with my wallet & have front-row tickets to Jon Anderson's acoustic gig.
Styx is a decent live show right now, even without DeYoung. I saw them along with Kansas last year. Kansas was better of course but Styx was pretty good. I'm not interested at all in Yes without Jon Anderson, but I might give the new album a listen when it comes.
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Posted: April 15 2011 at 00:11
earlyprog wrote:
Styx w/o DeYoung.
Yes w/o Anderson.
...There's a hidden message here...
I lost interest in Styx post-DeYoung. Wonder about post-Anderson Yes.
Yes should be touring with the future of prog, not the past.
I agree. If this clip is typical of Benoit David's stage presence, then I am very glad I bought my tickets for Jon Anderson's acoustic show! I mean, what a dork! I used to wear clothes like that in high school (40 years ago). Nice white tamborine thingy also.
I lost interest in Styx post-DeYoung. Wonder about post-Anderson Yes.
Yes should be touring with the future of prog, not the past.
I agree. If this clip is typical of Benoit David's stage presence, then I am very glad I bought my tickets for Jon Anderson's acoustic show! I mean, what a dork! I used to wear clothes like that in high school (40 years ago). Nice white tamborine thingy also.
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Posted: April 17 2011 at 01:47
Scizoidman94 wrote:
Its rare for prog and fashion to go hand in hand.
Hah! Yeah, I'd noticed back in the 1970's! Still, there are some wonderful stage-fashions that evolved....Squire was always one of my favorite Prog war-clothes-horses!! Lovely purple cape (and fantastic song by the way)
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Posted: April 17 2011 at 05:17
I bought tickets to Yes concert, Helsinki in December. After watching Yours I No Disgrace clip above I have big doubts about how enjoyable that will be. Mainly thinking of that dull impersonator ... Have Mercy!
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Posted: April 17 2011 at 16:52
akaBona wrote:
I bought tickets to Yes concert, Helsinki in December. After watching Yours I No Disgrace clip above I have big doubts about how enjoyable that will be. Mainly thinking of that dull impersonator ... Have Mercy!
Hah! I wouldn't worry about it, just go and have a good time watching & listening to Squire and Howe. They won't be touring forever. And, they should have new material, so perhaps that will fit this lineup better.
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Posted: April 17 2011 at 17:12
I'm revisiting classic era Styx by listening to their Grand Illusion - Paradise Theater albums. With apologies to those who hate Styx these are great freakin' albums in my book. Wonderful art-rock, entertaining as hell, great hooks, they rock, and there are lots of great vocal harmonies and interesting arrangements. Sure they have some ballads on the sappy side, so what? Most of the great prog bands had some embarrassing songs. My opinion of Styx is way up after re-connecting with these albums and giving them some thorough listens again. Not that I want to see any codger-rock reunions. Styx should have hung it up with Paradise and never looked back.
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Posted: April 18 2011 at 20:05
The best rock concert of my life was seeing Styx on The Grand Illusion tour in the spring of 1977 at the Ottawa Civic Center, Ottawa, Canada, with opening act Prism.We had about the best seats in the house. Saw them again in the fall of 1979 at the same venue, but they were nowhere near as good.
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