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Poll Question: who were the better pressident father or Son
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From now on I will look for the hidden meanings in your words

"Bet one of your ancestors owned slaves." actually means don't hold people accountable for their ancestors faults
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George Jr. is an incompetent drunk, his father is not
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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:


From now on I will look for the hidden meanings in your words

"Bet one of your ancestors owned slaves." actually means don't hold people accountable for their ancestors faults


Oooh...you should be a politician. 
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He's more useless than the real timothy leary.
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:


From now on I will look for the hidden meanings in your words

"Bet one of your ancestors owned slaves." actually means don't hold people accountable for their ancestors faults


Oooh...you should be a politician. 
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

He's more useless than the real timothy leary.


big words from a small mind
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Points: 16715 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2011 at 23:30
  timothy seems to be currently be on a trip and so not completely with us, so I won't respond to him.

I don't see how anybody could vote for W over HW.


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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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what trip is that........oh you made a funny
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

H.W. was more honorable, and I use that word very reluctantly.  They are descendants from Nazi lovers.
http://www.rense.com/general42/bshnazi.htm


Bet one of your ancestors owned slaves.


I can say for an absolute fact mine never have Approve
So I'm now gunna say terrible things about people who's ancestors have! Cool
YOU ALL ARE VERY BAD PEOPLE! HOW DARE YOUR ANCESTORS DO THAT! YOU SHOULD PAY FOR WHAT THEY DID AND FEEL BAD.

And George HW Bush by miles.
While I can't say I was fan of his, or agreed overall with his philosophies, he wasn't that bad a President actually, and far better than wubya.
Also, I am pretty sure he was a bit more moderate then his Presidency let on.


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Also, I am not very familiar with it in detail...but what exactly are these Bush connections to the Nazi's?

All I know is Prescott Bush owned (or was involved with) a company that was seized under the trading with the enemy act.
Obviously what the Nazi's did were so terrible that we look at everything in retrospect...but prior to WWII didn't we just view them, along fascist Italy, as enemies and authoritarian? Fascism also had a lot of support during the 1930's.
We didn't even know the extent of their atrocities until during the war, and especially when we reached all the concentration camps.

I only say all this jazz because, being involved with a company in Nazi Germany does not make one a Nazi.
Remember, these are businessmen what won't they do to make a buck? LOL
Much as we may wish...I highly doubt Prescott Bush was a Nazi supporter.

And this is coming from one of the biggest Wubya bashers you would've ever met.



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Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

Who will in 100 years of history be remembered as the better president


"History we won't know, we'll all be dead" - George W. Bush. 
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Sick... No vote.
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Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

H.W. was more honorable, and I use that word very reluctantly.  They are descendants from Nazi lovers.
http://www.rense.com/general42/bshnazi.htm


Bet one of your ancestors owned slaves.


I can say for an absolute fact mine never have Approve
So I'm now gunna say terrible things about people who's ancestors have! Cool
YOU ALL ARE VERY BAD PEOPLE! HOW DARE YOUR ANCESTORS DO THAT! YOU SHOULD PAY FOR WHAT THEY DID AND FEEL BAD.

And George HW Bush by miles.
While I can't say I was fan of his, or agreed overall with his philosophies, he wasn't that bad a President actually, and far better than wubya.
Also, I am pretty sure he was a bit more moderate then his Presidency let on.


My Mom's Dad was anti-Semitic, but not obsessively so.  I never heard him express pro holocaust views.  If any of my ancestors owned slaves, I am not aware of it.  My parents never indoctrinated us with racist views.  I married a black woman and if any of my living relatives had any problems with that I never heard it.


Edited by Slartibartfast - January 03 2011 at 07:35
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

He's more useless than the real timothy leary.


big words from a small mind


It was only 12 pt font.
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ah I like to create some discussion, which I think is healthy to clare up the minds, also to compare one of the few occations where both father and son have had the same job in such a high possition is rare)

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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:



HW, because at least he knew how to end a war.

More importantly, NOT Dubya because he is either an easily led simpleton or a frighteningly and apologetically immoral person. Probably bits of both given his verbal foibles and refusal to admit anything wrong about waterboarding.


Well, one could argue that the original gulf conflict never ended.  The U.S. was lobbing missiles in there well into the Clinton years.


And who doesn't love waterboarding?





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Points: 22989 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2011 at 11:15
Apparently, the biggest error after the first Gulf war (which was done very well) was to keep stationed troops in Saudi Arabia. That lead to a lot of resentment, and was the most important aspect that determined Bin Laden to do what he did.
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Points: 15784 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 03 2011 at 13:59
We commit that error in every war.

Calling it an error is a little strange though since it's at best intentionally done and at worst the reason for starting the war.
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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During one's presidency, I was younger and lived in a different country. But I fully enjoyed the benefits of the presidency of the other one. Also, for comedy purposes, nobody will ever beat the second one. 

Ah, and the whole ""Bet one of your ancestors owned slaves." actually means don't hold people accountable for their ancestors faults"is one of the top 10 idiotic sentences ever written in PA.  



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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

During one's presidency, I was younger and lived in a different country. But I fully enjoyed the benefits of the presidency of the other one. Also, for comedy purposes, nobody will ever beat the second one. 

Ah, and the whole ""Bet one of your ancestors owned slaves." actually means don't hold people accountable for their ancestors faults"is one of the top 10 idiotic sentences ever written in PA.  



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