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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 07:58
Of course, so much of this is speculative.  There seems little question that the early prog bands were aware of each other, and perhaps influenced by each other to varying degrees, either intentionally or not.
 
It would seem that, historically, the place to start would be the very first "prog" albums/bands, and how things developed thereafter.  In this regard, I suppose we would have to include Floyd's Piper, Moodies' Days, Zappa's Freak Out, even Sgt. Pepper as influences.  Possibly even Vanilla Fudge's debut album, with its proto-prog sound, particularly the enphasis on organ and keyboards.  All of these (and others) pre-date Crimson, Genesis, Yes, Giant, Tull, etc., all of whom created (or released) their first albums in 1968 or 1969.
 
It was only after this that Genesis, Yes, Crimson et al could have influenced each other - but the foundations of their influence had to come from the earlier bands/albums, and were probably more significant than the influence they may have had on each other.
 
That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.  LOL.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 14:51
I guess I'll be tarred and feathered for this, but to me, Gentle Giant sounds like a mix of Fairport Convention and ELP.
Except of course for the great singing of Sandy Denny and Greg Lake.

I've only recently become aware of GG, I completely missed out on the them in the seventies. I'm now listening through all their albums, I like them a lot but I can hear their influencies clearly. British folk, European classical music and rock.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 15:16
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Not tarred and feathered, just corrected.  While FC does predate GG, there is very little in GG that harks back to FC's first album or two.  Indeed, GG's first album is leagues more "progressive" (and "aggressive") than anything FC did from 1967 to 1969.  Re ELP, not only do I hear absolutely nothing of ELP in GG, but they are exactly contemporaneous: both of their debut albums came out in 1970 - and had virtually nothing in common.  ELP was built around Emerson's classical and quasi-classical technicalities, Palmer's ultra-aggressive drumming, and Lake's distinctive voice.  GG was truly a collaborative effort, with everyone singing (although Derek certainly got more "album time" than the others), and no single instrument was featured: all of them were multi-instrumentalists, and played guitar, bass, recorder, percussion, and glockenspiel, with Kerry doing keyboard/cello/vibraphone, Ray doing bass/violin, etc.  As well, GG focused far more on their amazing four- and five-part harmonies than ELP (which had almost no harmonies at all).
 
As well, their writing styles were completely opposite.  ELP either adapted classical pieces for a three-piece rock band, or wrote quasi-classical original music.  GG wrote original music that had more in common with influences like Jethro Tull (particularly the focus on a quasi-medieval sound) than with ELP.
 
Given all of the above, I find it hard to understand where your comment comes from.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 19:52
Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

Silverpot:
 
Not tarred and feathered, just corrected.  While FC does predate GG, there is very little in GG that harks back to FC's first album or two.  Indeed, GG's first album is leagues more "progressive" (and "aggressive") than anything FC did from 1967 to 1969.  Re ELP, not only do I hear absolutely nothing of ELP in GG, but they are exactly contemporaneous: both of their debut albums came out in 1970 - and had virtually nothing in common.  ELP was built around Emerson's classical and quasi-classical technicalities, Palmer's ultra-aggressive drumming, and Lake's distinctive voice.  GG was truly a collaborative effort, with everyone singing (although Derek certainly got more "album time" than the others), and no single instrument was featured: all of them were multi-instrumentalists, and played guitar, bass, recorder, percussion, and glockenspiel, with Kerry doing keyboard/cello/vibraphone, Ray doing bass/violin, etc.  As well, GG focused far more on their amazing four- and five-part harmonies than ELP (which had almost no harmonies at all).
 
As well, their writing styles were completely opposite.  ELP either adapted classical pieces for a three-piece rock band, or wrote quasi-classical original music.  GG wrote original music that had more in common with influences like Jethro Tull (particularly the focus on a quasi-medieval sound) than with ELP.
 
Given all of the above, I find it hard to understand where your comment comes from.
 
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Yes I know. I can't really explain, it's just the feeling I get, it's something with the beat and melody, and probably that very English approach. But who borrowed from whom I can't say. Or what was the foundation for all these bands.
Anyway, Giant's sound, wherever it comes from, is what I like about them. It's very familiar, in a cosy sort of way.

I think early J Tull was rather more bluesy.

 
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