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Xanatos
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Posted: November 15 2010 at 14:58 |
By the way i love Mats Öberg keyboard solos
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Posted: November 15 2010 at 16:08 |
Well, I do not remember many keyboard solos from modern players (as well as in the modern rock). Maybe in the prog-metal they are quite common, but it's not my cup of tea.
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halabalushindigus
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Posted: November 15 2010 at 16:49 |
The Colony Of Slippermen - Genesis
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moshkito
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Posted: November 15 2010 at 17:55 |
Hi,
I want to say ...NONE.
Because if all the music is about is "solo's" ... why the heck am I bothering with spending money on "progressive" ... there are much better solo'ists in jazz and many other disciplines out there worth listening to, and the majority of "progressive" and specially the "prog" ones, are just adding solo bits and pieces on the top of the music, because they have no idea that a synthesizer can be used for anything else ... but just another orchestra/group instrument ... and that is the main difference in a lot of the "progressive" music ... some of it is not a solo, but a lead in to the next level/step of the music ... and that is not being given the proper consideration it deserves.
In general, rock music and popular music tend to simply "change" the key they were in to get to the next part. A lot of classical music "develops" the transition, and it is not just a chord change, and sometimes it can have a new theme, with the original one a sub-textual point in the score on violin #4 (so to speak -- meaning background).
Too much of "progressive" music was NOT about solo's. Too much of "prog rock" is nothing but an extended solo and thrashing that has a lot less to do with music than it does with the sales of a genre and the band looking for fame.
If we're talking about just solo's on keyboard ... go listen to Yanni ... you might get your answer a little faster.
Btw ... if all a keyboard player can do is "solos", he/she is not very good at helping a band ... they would be better off on their own. Btw .. Rudess has solos? .. where? in the bathroom? you certainly will never hear them in concert! ... ( hehehe --- )
Edited by moshkito - November 15 2010 at 18:03
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Posted: November 15 2010 at 18:17 |
Nice angry rant. way to take the entire topic out of context.
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Xanatos
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Posted: November 15 2010 at 19:36 |
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
I want to say ...NONE.
Because if all the music is about is "solo's" ... why the heck am I bothering with spending money on "progressive" ... there are much better solo'ists in jazz and many other disciplines out there worth listening to, and the majority of "progressive" and specially the "prog" ones, are just adding solo bits and pieces on the top of the music, because they have no idea that a synthesizer can be used for anything else ... but just another orchestra/group instrument ... and that is the main difference in a lot of the "progressive" music ... some of it is not a solo, but a lead in to the next level/step of the music ... and that is not being given the proper consideration it deserves.
In general, rock music and popular music tend to simply "change" the key they were in to get to the next part. A lot of classical music "develops" the transition, and it is not just a chord change, and sometimes it can have a new theme, with the original one a sub-textual point in the score on violin #4 (so to speak -- meaning background).
Too much of "progressive" music was NOT about solo's. Too much of "prog rock" is nothing but an extended solo and thrashing that has a lot less to do with music than it does with the sales of a genre and the band looking for fame.
If we're talking about just solo's on keyboard ... go listen to Yanni ... you might get your answer a little faster.
Btw ... if all a keyboard player can do is "solos", he/she is not very good at helping a band ... they would be better off on their own. Btw .. Rudess has solos? .. where? in the bathroom? you certainly will never hear them in concert! ... ( hehehe --- ) |
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DAVE M
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Posted: November 16 2010 at 02:48 |
David Greenslade - Lost Angeles
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BaldJean
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Posted: November 16 2010 at 03:56 |
Dave Stewart's organ solo at the beginning of National Health's "Dreams Wide Awake". also his solo at the beginning of the episode "Hiram Aftaglid Meets the Dervish" in the "Solar Music Suite" from Steve Hillage's "Fish Rising"
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Posted: November 16 2010 at 05:56 |
Rick Wright Echoes, the farfisa organ part as the song reemerges from the windy section, that still brings tears and goosebumps every time and also the piano intro and outro are brilliant. Rick is so often overlooked because of how subtle he was but that beautiful subtlety is what made his playing so great.
Tony Banks Apocolypse in 9/8 is also a headspinner that really does make you think the world is about to end and if it did at that very moment you would be o.k with it.
Rick Wakeman has some fantastic moog and clavinova solos in journey to the center of the earth that make it feel truely epic.
Dave Sinclair in I wish i were stoned by Caravan i love this short organ solo and also in As I Feel I Die from the same album.
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Publius84
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Posted: November 16 2010 at 17:28 |
Maybe not the best but very good and not mentionet yet:
- Caravan - With An Ear To The Ground You Can Make It (If I Could Do It All Over Again I'd Do It All Over You) - Dave Sinclair - this solo starts around 3:00 min. - Caravan - Winter Wine (In the Land of Grey and Pink) - Dave Sinclair - classic; - Caravan - In The Land Of Grey And Pink (In the Land of Grey and Pink) - Dave Sinclair - beautiful piano part that turns into organ solo :] - Caravan - Nine Feet Underground (In the Land of Grey and Pink) - Dave Sinclair - almost whole piece :P - Caravan - The Dog, The Dog, He's at It Again (For Girls Who Grow Plump in the Night) - Dave Sinclair - Camel - Never Let Go (Camel) - Peter Bardens - Camel - White Rider (Mirage) - Peter Bardens - really epic one - Camel - Song Within A Song (Moonmadness) - Peter Bardens - Camel - One Of These Days I'll Get An Early Night (Raindances) - Peter Bardens - Camel - Lies (Nude) - Duncan Mackay - rarely mentioned but pretty nice hammond solo; - Cressida - Munich (Asylum) - Peter Jennings - beautiful and dramatic hammond solo that starts at 4:38 - Deep Purple - Highway Star (Machine Head) - Jon Lord - Deep Purple - Lazy (Machine Head) - Jon Lord - Deep Purple - Fireball (Fireball) - Jon Lord - Deep Purple - Demon's Eye (Fireball) - Jon Lord - Ethos - Space Brothers (Adour) Duncan Hammond or Michael Ponczek? Probably Ponczek, but I have no idea; rather underrated one, starts 2:30, beautiful; - Ethos - Pimp City (Open Up) - Michael Ponczek - this one starts about 3:00; a long and diversified one; - Genesis - Stagnation (Trespass) - Anthony Banks - Genesis - Seven Stones (Nursery Cryme) - Anthony Banks - this ending mellotron solo... hmm :D - Gentle Giant - A Cry For Everyone (Octopus) - Kerry Minnear - Jean-Luc Ponty - Mirage (Enigmatic Ocean) - Allan Zavod - Jean Michel Jarre - Oxygene Part II (Oxygene) - J.M. Jarre - this little thing between 1:40 and 2:10; - Matching Mole - Instant Kitten (Matching Mole) - Dave Sinclair - almost whole song is Dave solo; - Riverside - Reality Dream (Out Of Myself) - Jacek Melnicki - the opening little solo after the clock introduction; - Sam Brown - Stop (Stop) - Bob Andrews - wow... whis one blow my mind and sends shivers down my spine; an epic, classic, rock hammond solo... just wow! - Trace - Opus 1065 (Birds) - Rick Van Der Linden - Uriah Heep - July Morning (Look At Yourself) - Manfred Mann - everybody knows what I'm thinking about ;) - Yes - Close to the Edge (Close to the Edge) - Rick Wakeman - same as with July Morning, everybody knows which one I was thinking about ;) - ELP - Take A Pebble (ELP) - Keith Emerson - a piano little solo that starts about 2:30, just love how it all works - piano, bas and drums... yummy
There's probably plenty of organ/keyboard solos that I like at least, but for the moment I only figured out these. Cheers ;)
Edited by Publius84 - November 17 2010 at 10:31
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Elderflower Man
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Posted: November 16 2010 at 17:47 |
Every time Tony Banks touches the keyboard in Genesis is a piece of mastery. Rick Wright's another keyboardist who's like this, too- Animals may have missed the textures he provides, but because they're so rare, the stuff he does at the beginning of Sheep (which is some orgasmic playing anyway) is just heavenly.
Favourite keyboard solo, though? I really don't know. I know that I love me some keyboard solos, but they don't tend to stick in my head in the same way as guitar solos. That's not to say that I don't appreciate them. I mean, neither guitar nor keyboard solos are better as a genre- that's determined by the players. The Hammond solo from Day Two: Isolation in The Human Equation is fantastic, and Spock's Beard's Welcome to NYC is made by the bluesy splashes of dirty organ. I could go on.
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Posted: November 17 2010 at 01:44 |
Talking of Rick Wright I love the synth solo near the end of Welcome To The Machine.
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moshkito
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Posted: November 17 2010 at 19:01 |
Evolver wrote:
Nice angry rant. way to take the entire topic out of context.
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I guess life is nothing but a keyboard solo for you ... none of the music means anything else for you?
AND ... it's not an angry rant ... it's a perfectly logical statement about listening and creating music ... but you must not know the difference between a "solo" and being a part of the symphony, or concert at all, I would think ... since you are making the assumption that everything that everyone plays is a "solo" ... and that is not true, and in fact I would imagine that is quite and extraordinarily insensitive about music and musicians all around.
And for the record, only in rock'n'roll and jazz are solos out to be just solos ... since you won't find too many "solos" in Beethoven and Mozart ... but again, why should I mention "music" when all you can discuss is rock'n'roll? ... (yeah ... that part is a rant! )
Oh ... one of the original and very first solo's that hit the radio ... In a Gadda Da Vida ... now that one is definitly a solo ... but you can't say it wasn't nice!
Edited by moshkito - November 17 2010 at 19:08
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Publius84
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Posted: November 18 2010 at 08:16 |
It's not all about keyboard solos for most of us, I think. It's all about different aspects of music. Some of us like to analyse the music we are listening to. I know music works as a whole. But we should not deceive ourselfs. The fact is that such music aspect as construction of a composition, melody, tempo, dynamics, instrumentation, each instrument sound and part it plays make music work as a whole. It's not all about "soloing" over the whole song, but you have to agree that diversity of music is important. Sometimes it's a guitar, keyboard, bass, drum or other instrument solo, sometimes it's a bridge, collision, interludium or even "Ad Libitum". It all make music diverse and interesting. On this forum people discuss those aspects they like in many different threads and this is what is all about.
Edited by Publius84 - November 18 2010 at 08:19
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Posted: November 18 2010 at 08:44 |
Any Tony Banks solo in the classic genesis... I love them From Musical Box to One for the Vine
Rick Wakeman in Starship Trooper (version Keys of Ascension) and Roundabout
Richard Wright: His work in Echoes and Shine on your crazy Diamond
ElP: Tarkus and Karn Evil 9
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Posted: November 18 2010 at 10:54 |
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
I want to say ...NONE.
Because if all the music is about is "solo's" ... why the heck am I bothering with spending money on "progressive" ... there are much better solo'ists in jazz and many other disciplines out there worth listening to, and the majority of "progressive" and specially the "prog" ones, are just adding solo bits and pieces on the top of the music, because they have no idea that a synthesizer can be used for anything else ... but just another orchestra/group instrument ... and that is the main difference in a lot of the "progressive" music ... some of it is not a solo, but a lead in to the next level/step of the music ... and that is not being given the proper consideration it deserves.
In general, rock music and popular music tend to simply "change" the key they were in to get to the next part. A lot of classical music "develops" the transition, and it is not just a chord change, and sometimes it can have a new theme, with the original one a sub-textual point in the score on violin #4 (so to speak -- meaning background).
Too much of "progressive" music was NOT about solo's. Too much of "prog rock" is nothing but an extended solo and thrashing that has a lot less to do with music than it does with the sales of a genre and the band looking for fame.
If we're talking about just solo's on keyboard ... go listen to Yanni ... you might get your answer a little faster.
Btw ... if all a keyboard player can do is "solos", he/she is not very good at helping a band ... they would be better off on their own. Btw .. Rudess has solos? .. where? in the bathroom? you certainly will never hear them in concert! ... ( hehehe --- ) |
Straight answer for a straight question, please?
As for the topic, Cinema Show.
Edited by rogerthat - November 18 2010 at 10:56
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Posted: November 18 2010 at 18:53 |
Ray Manzarek!!!!
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Posted: November 18 2010 at 18:59 |
BaldJean wrote:
Dave Stewart's organ solo at the beginning of National Health's "Dreams Wide Awake". |
You beat me to it.
Probably my real answer is "The Cinema Show" and I'm not even a huge Genesis fan; but that was just sublime.
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moshkito
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Posted: November 19 2010 at 14:43 |
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Straight answer for a straight question, please?
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Go listen to jazz ... most of it is solos and any relationship to the music is often purely incidental and sometimes accidental. And that was the point of what Miles wanted to do!
Most progressive music is not about solos, though they can be thought of as being solos ... it has become that in the modern version of "prog" ... which is not the same thing!
A really good example of this ... listen to Caravan and the New Sinfonia ... and see how all of a sudden the "solo" is a part of the whole symphony and not really a solo ... it's an enhancement.
I'm not sure that some folks here think that there can be enhancements in music to make a moment better and stronger, which was what "progressive music" was all about in the first place. But there is a lot of modern rock music, ie Dream Theater for example, where the line between "solo" and "music" might be breached somewhat ... however, this was not apparent on their album with an orchestra, but sure is on their last album or 2!
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Posted: November 26 2010 at 19:04 |
CARAVAN with in the land of the grey an pink produced the beautifulest organ chorus i ever heard CARAVAAANN N!!!!!
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