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Scratchy
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Posted: October 19 2010 at 03:03 |
The most obvious proto-prog album would Judas Priests - Sad Wings of Destiny (well Victim of Changes - which I would consider a classic Heavy Prog song at the time of release).Another album I would consider influenced alot of early Prog metal would be Scorpions - Taken by Force album (with tracks like We'll Burn the Sky, The Sails of Charon) & also In Trance album.Of course Rush's pre Hold Your Fire albums.Iron Maiden were an influence, although more so on the Metal side of Prog Metal equation (although many of Iron Maidens influences were 70's Prog artists those influences were'nt so prevelant on early albums).Pink Floyd's - The Wall was an obvious influence on Queensryches - Operation Mindcrime, perhaps you could say The Who's - Tommy also influenced this album as well.Yes' Gates of Delirium could be said to be an early blueprint on what would become Prog Metal.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: October 19 2010 at 16:17 |
I´d say Sea Shanties by High Tide. Such powerful riffing and this was 69 - before Sabbath, and way more in the "territory" of prog metal. Some people actually claim it to be the first metal album, but that is stretching it a bit.
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Catcher10
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Posted: October 19 2010 at 16:28 |
some on the PA feel the Beatles started it all....and yes prog metal too....comeeonnnn
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moshkito
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Posted: October 19 2010 at 18:25 |
Gandalff wrote:
My question: Which songs or even whole albums from 60´s to 80´s years of 20th century is most influential or most important for the development of Prog Metal and its related subgenres? |
I really think that what became metal pretty much had been around the early days in the Fillmore, New York and London ...
It's hard for me to hear Ball and Chains (Big Brother) with a fabulous Blues singer over it ... that guitar is over the top metal and makes everyone today sound stupid and just thrashing strings! ... and then you had Blue Cheer, Deep Purple, Spooky Tooth, Black Sabbath and many other bands ... that helped establish the "loud-ness" factor and in fact helped define what later became known as "metal" ... which was ... hard and loud! ... and nothing else!
It's hard to not think that London and NY also had these, they did ... you can go back to Iggy and the Stooges and NY Dolls and even some Lou Reed right after the Velvet Underground, and you can catch "Rock'n'Roll Animal" for an exceptional element. It was not metal, but was getting harder, and Steve Hunter is the guitarist on that album, and he had been in Alice Cooper and many other places. London had it's own, and a bit more eclectic and strange, but it's rock/blues scene was always strong going way back to John Mayall and others and eventually getting further up.
In the early days, Hawkwind was considered "acid rock", not quite "space rock", and it was music with the vibrancy and strength of "Communication Breakdown" (LZ style) that helped define and create the metal and hard stuff. So that would be 1969 and 1970. Space Ritual was later, but In Search of Space was quite hard.
Black Sabbath, probably would not have been that big were it not for their name ... which made it an automatic hit. But the first album was quite a stoney person's delight then and even now, and even though it is "heavy" it is not "metal" ... BS did not become "metal" until the "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" album that is an all out metal assault ... and then Ozzie became more metal when he went solo on his own.
Edited by moshkito - October 19 2010 at 18:27
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rogerthat
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Posted: October 20 2010 at 11:59 |
Catcher10 wrote:
some on the PA feel the Beatles started it all....and yes prog metal too....comeeonnnn
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That's not what Jlocke said but if it gives you so much satisfaction to believe that Beatles fans are a gullible fan, suit yourself, far be it for me to stop you.
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TODDLER
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Posted: October 20 2010 at 12:07 |
I and a bunch of friends in 71' discovered the first Black Sabbath album. A bunch of 15 year olds running across an album with a picture of a witch on the cover.Was it those darn devil worshippers again? Not exactly. It was hard rock with a twist of Satan cult mentality that caused us to feel strange and under the influence though. Everyone in school seemed to be buying later on Paranoid and Master of Reality. A hard rock crowd was a dope crowd with desire to reach out beyond the hippie movement but, still carried hippie characteristics. Jesus freaks (termed as that then), had set up Jesus freak housing in my hometown. They tried to convert us kids off the street. Even when we were taking a happy go lucky walk to the corner store. Satan cults resided in my town and there was a Satan cult killing as well. The Jesus freaks set up camp and tried their best to sort the youth out. By the end of 72', Black Sabbath were being directly in blame for the exsistence of the youths behaviour. Those who carried Sabbath albums to school were questioned by the principal and guidance nerds were hired by the school to investigate the personal lives of kids who were in question. The guidance nerds worked hand in hand with narcs and detectives. People from Satan cults were arrested before another death through ritual could be performed. In the long term race as it is, the finger was pointed at the music of Black Sabbath and Uriah Heep. The term Heavy Metal was yet to have been invented however, they.....the law .....were treating it the same way. Blaming a kid's death directly on the music they listened to.
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Catcher10
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Posted: October 20 2010 at 12:23 |
rogerthat wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
some on the PA feel the Beatles started it all....and yes prog metal too....comeeonnnn
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That's not what Jlocke said but if it gives you so much satisfaction to believe that Beatles fans are a gullible fan, suit yourself, far be it for me to stop you. |
Ohh wait thats right this is the PA Forum site....no joking allowed, being that all PA members are snotty and all....totally my bad.
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sleeper
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Posted: October 20 2010 at 15:08 |
TODDLER wrote:
I and a bunch of friends in 71' discovered the first Black Sabbath album. A bunch of 15 year olds running across an album with a picture of a witch on the cover.Was it those darn devil worshippers again? Not exactly. It was hard rock with a twist of Satan cult mentality that caused us to feel strange and under the influence though. Everyone in school seemed to be buying later on Paranoid and Master of Reality. A hard rock crowd was a dope crowd with desire to reach out beyond the hippie movement but, still carried hippie characteristics. Jesus freaks (termed as that then), had set up Jesus freak housing in my hometown. They tried to convert us kids off the street. Even when we were taking a happy go lucky walk to the corner store. Satan cults resided in my town and there was a Satan cult killing as well. The Jesus freaks set up camp and tried their best to sort the youth out. By the end of 72', Black Sabbath were being directly in blame for the exsistence of the youths behaviour. Those who carried Sabbath albums to school were questioned by the principal and guidance nerds were hired by the school to investigate the personal lives of kids who were in question. The guidance nerds worked hand in hand with narcs and detectives. People from Satan cults were arrested before another death through ritual could be performed. In the long term race as it is, the finger was pointed at the music of Black Sabbath and Uriah Heep. The term Heavy Metal was yet to have been invented however, they.....the law .....were treating it the same way. Blaming a kid's death directly on the music they listened to. |
An all too common story concerning a band that wasnt actually all that satanic, except for maybe Geezer Butler.
But..errr... what does this have to do with the musical roots of Prog Metal?
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ferush
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Posted: October 20 2010 at 18:41 |
Hendrix, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple
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KABSA
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Posted: November 29 2010 at 16:09 |
early rock / proto metal
iggy/stooges ..... quite hawkwind like ., without a sci-fi lyric
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hawkwind
pink floyds `nile song`
blue cheer
in-a-gadda-da-vida [iron butterfly]
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psyche rock [1963-4] pierre henry
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Formentera Lady
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Posted: November 29 2010 at 16:50 |
Catcher10 wrote:
some on the PA feel the Beatles started it all....and yes prog metal too....comeeonnnn
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What is with Helter Skelter? To the original question: - everything by Rush - Red (the song) by King Crimson.
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Tychovski
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Posted: November 29 2010 at 18:08 |
I think Metallica's Master Of Puppets and And Justice For All albums really bridged classic metal and what became progressive metal.
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Everyone knows rock attained perfection in 1974, it's a scientific fact.
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