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Ronnie Pilgrim
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 19:17 |
Bitterblogger wrote:
An agnostic, you say? Then explain "The Revealing Science of God". |
Scientific method and religious dogma are so incompatible one could only hope the lyrics would clarify the juxtaposition.
They don't.
Edited by Ronnie Pilgrim - June 24 2010 at 19:23
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Epignosis
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 19:39 |
Ronnie Pilgrim wrote:
Bitterblogger wrote:
An agnostic, you say? Then explain "The Revealing Science of God". |
Scientific method and religious dogma are so incompatible one could only hope the lyrics would clarify the juxtaposition.
They don't.
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rod65
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 20:39 |
Reggy wrote:
Gerinski, Agnostic means ...love to nature ( God not as a person ), please listen Home world ( Ladder ), Yes loves earth definitely. They are existensialism, as a Camus, Satre, Kiekgaard, Spinoza or even Nietzche. Huuuh, if they are live in 18th century, they are Wagner, Tchaikovsky or Mahler...:))))))
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Actually, Reggy, "agnostic" is the opposite of "gnostic" and means simply "not knowing," referring specifically to the unknowability of anything outside of the material realm. To be an agnostic is to admit that on does not, and cannot, know anything beyond what the senses can perceive. There is nothing about agnosticism that necessarily implies nature worship, or "love" of anything at all. Agnostics are simply people who admit that they do not and cannot know God / the gods, or even whether such entities exist. This is not necessarily a spiritual position, spirit itself being arguably unknowable, and Jon Anderson is a deeply--and eccumenically--spiritual person.
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JLocke
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 20:41 |
OP, you're reading too much into things. Jon Anderson by his own admission would often write lyrics simply for how the words sounded together, and then only afterward would he attempt to find a meaning for them.
Just sit back and enjoy the sound of his words. It's all up for interpretation, anyway.
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rod65
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 20:54 |
Reggy wrote:
Ronnie ...Yes teach us about love and peace, not religion, but transcends everything. Probably they are in between spiritualism and empiricism. If I listen "It will be a good day" I believe Yes trying to tell us to love nature and use our rationality. Huh ...! Yes is not music after all, it is a message and bands of philosophy ...that's why I love them ...they teach us the universality ...........
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Yes do not "teach us" anything. Their songs may address certain themes, though the obscurity of many of Anderson's lyrics often, and to my mind fortunately, makes any pedagogical function unlikely. These guys are musicians. While their music may at times take on a philosophical stance, the stance does not define, and most certainly does not subordinate, the music. Where such subordination occurs, as on some of the studio track son Keys to Ascension, it invariably undermines the music.
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yanch
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Posted: June 25 2010 at 06:51 |
Bitterblogger wrote:
An agnostic, you say? Then explain "The Revealing Science of God". |
Exactly! I also think the "Soon" section of Gates of Delirium is actually about reaching for god or something similar. Anderson refers directly to reaching for the light and our reasons to believe.
I think a mistake that gets made by many is to assume we know what a lyricists, or on a different but similar take, what a poet is trying to say. In many, many cases lyrics and poetry are open to individual interpretation. To say one truly knows the intent or meaning of a song or poems meaning is not possible-and that's the beauty of them!!!
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BaldJean
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Posted: June 25 2010 at 11:40 |
Ronnie Pilgrim wrote:
Bitterblogger wrote:
An agnostic, you say? Then explain "The Revealing Science of God". |
Scientific method and religious dogma are so incompatible one could only hope the lyrics would clarify the juxtaposition.
They don't.
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you don't necessarily have to follow any religious dogma to believe in God
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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warrplayer
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Posted: June 26 2010 at 16:35 |
I believe The Revealing Science of God was written after Jon read "Autobiography of a Yogi" by Paramahansa Yogananda. (not that there is any science going on in the book, mind you. :) )
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rod65
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Posted: June 27 2010 at 07:13 |
BaldJean wrote:
Ronnie Pilgrim wrote:
Bitterblogger wrote:
An agnostic, you say? Then explain "The Revealing Science of God". |
Scientific method and religious dogma are so incompatible one could only hope the lyrics would clarify the juxtaposition.
They don't.
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you don't necessarily have to follow any religious dogma to believe in God
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I wonder whether, in the choice of title, the band was referring to an older meaning of the word "science." Our current meaning only dates to the late Renaissance. Previously, the word simply meant any branch of knowledge, including the study of the divine.
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The-time-is-now
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Posted: June 29 2010 at 15:19 |
VanVanVan wrote:
I didn't really realize that Yes lyrics actually meant anything. |
Actually, there is a religious explanation to Close To The Edge.
But I do not understand it.
Maybe they believe in God, maybe in a blind designer.
Epignosis is right : Anderson is a catching-all spiritualist.
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One of my best achievements in life was to find this picture :D
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