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Posted: June 05 2010 at 14:57
None - If people just looked at ridiculous "celebrities" such as the Big Brother mob, Cheryl Cole, bloody Jordan, "Madge" Madonna running around in catsuits when she's old enough to be most of the audiences mother, they would realise that is true pretension.
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 15:05
lazland wrote:
None - If people just looked at ridiculous "celebrities" such as the Big Brother mob, Cheryl Cole, bloody Jordan, "Madge" Madonna running around in catsuits when she's old enough to be most of the audiences mother, they would realise that is true pretension.
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 18:48
J-Man wrote:
Falx wrote:
The Lamb. All of it.
=F=
EPIC FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!
It takes up two entire LPs, in all fairness TFTO deserves a mention too
Now, Quadrophenia on the other hand, is a masterpiece.
Edited by Falx - June 05 2010 at 18:50
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 18:52
The real answer here is Thick as a Brick.
I find it completely hilarious that, after 40-odd years, we are STILL being had by Ian Anderson's overtly pretentious send-up of a genre. It's in our top 10, for crying out loud. Then again, it really is awfully good...
....And this, my friends, is what we call "irony".
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 19:06
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Just about anything Rick Wakeman did
I mean. On Ice .
As a fact this wasn't Rick's fault.
He had a 3 heart attacks very young and he had made a terrible contract with A&M (Almost slavery for what I read), so he was told he would not play anymore.
After he was told to retire by the doctors he wrote The Last Battle that same night and also most of King Arthur in the Wexham Park Hospital,
Thankfully I ignored the advice, wrote The Last Battle that night, and carried on. Heart surgery has come a long way since the mid seventies as well thankfully
So he was very short of money,.and due to the fact he faced his mortality, wanted to leave money to his family.
He accepted a series of concerts in Wembley in 1975 (shortly after his heart attack), but there was an ice show simultaneously
This was Rick Wakeman's third, high-profile effort as a solo artist. It is probably best remembered today for its accompanying live performances, which boldly went were no man had gone before (nor since, thankfully): Prog Rock meets the Ice Follies. To be fair (and perhaps to help us all feel a bit safer sleeping tonight), the King Arthur Capades didn't happen because Rick originally conceived it that way, but out of a scheduling necessity to accommodate with the incipient venue, which was having an ice show right before the planned concerts.
The Ice show had a previous contract, so he had two options:
Invest a lot of money turning the ice circuit into a normal floor and back again to icebefore every show
Reject the contract
Being that he required money, he couldn't afford any of the two options, he dis what any responsible "pater familias" would had done, make the show and accept the critics in order to get some bucks.
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 21:45
I really really dislike the part where a voice introduces all the instruments in Mike Olfield's Tubular Bells. Big deal! Felt it was very condescending and self-important.
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 21:49
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I really really dislike the part where a voice introduces all the instruments in Mike Olfield's Tubular Bells. Big deal! Felt it was very condescending and self-important.
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 21:59
lazland wrote:
None - If people just looked at ridiculous "celebrities" such as the Big Brother mob, Cheryl Cole, bloody Jordan, "Madge" Madonna running around in catsuits when she's old enough to be most of the audiences mother, they would realise that is true pretension.
I kind of agree with this too but in a different way. I find stuff like Nightwish or Metallica's S&M (not to mention Scorpions's own symphony + rock effort) more pretentious because it, at least to me, feels like an attempt to pass off the music as something more sophisticated than it really is. I don't know why people would call the old prog bands' attempts to bring jazz and classical influences to rock pretentious because, if anything, they were trying to give a different and possibly more resonant context for such music so that rock fans could relate to it. It seems like adventure is equated to pretension when it comes to prog.
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:06
rogerthat wrote:
I really really dislike the part where a voice introduces all the instruments in Mike Olfield's Tubular Bells. Big deal! Felt it was very condescending and self-important.
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:39
DT-PT wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
I really really dislike the part where a voice introduces all the instruments in Mike Olfield's Tubular Bells. Big deal! Felt it was very condescending and self-important.
I like that part.
Me too!
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Posted: June 06 2010 at 03:36
I don't agree that the flying piano thing was pretentious.It was pure showbiz and a lot of fun (and a little bit dangerous for the protagonist)
I do however agree with Works Volume One, Lamb and TFTO. Long double sided prog albums are all (with one exception) a complete pain and certainly represent the point when some famous prog bands 'jumped the shark'.(The exception is Aphrodites Child '666')
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Posted: June 06 2010 at 13:42
ProgressiveAttic wrote:
DT-PT wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
I really really dislike the part where a voice introduces all the instruments in Mike Olfield's Tubular Bells. Big deal! Felt it was very condescending and self-important.
I like that part.
Me too!
It was meant to be funny in a kind of schoolboy way - that's why Stanshall was asked to do it (after, apparently, Cleese refused).
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Posted: June 06 2010 at 13:54
I do have to agree with TFTO. I enjoy the album but it definitely seems to be the point when prog became too much for the mainstream to handle.
Interestingly enough, I've never really seen the charge of "pretentious" levelled at King Crimson. Is that because the critics were more accepting of them, or just because Yes and ELP were easier targets?
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Posted: June 06 2010 at 14:01
There's nothing from '70's prog that I would categorize as pretentious. All of the critics that pooped out that word with regard to prog are another matter.
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: June 06 2010 at 14:05
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I do have to agree with TFTO. I enjoy the album but it definitely seems to be the point when prog became too much for the mainstream to handle.
Interestingly enough, I've never really seen the charge of "pretentious" levelled at King Crimson. Is that because the critics were more accepting of them, or just because Yes and ELP were easier targets?
Simple answer to that question - it's because Fripp had a hissyfit after Red in 1974, and did no more KC until the early 80's. All of the snot nosed, gobby punks had thrown their vitriol at the prevalent bands in 76 or 77 like Floyd, Yes, et al.
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Posted: June 06 2010 at 15:39
lazland wrote:
KingCrimson250 wrote:
I do have to agree with TFTO. I enjoy the album but it definitely seems to be the point when prog became too much for the mainstream to handle.
Interestingly enough, I've never really seen the charge of "pretentious" levelled at King Crimson. Is that because the critics were more accepting of them, or just because Yes and ELP were easier targets?
Simple answer to that question - it's because Fripp had a hissyfit after Red in 1974, and did no more KC until the early 80's. All of the snot nosed, gobby punks had thrown their vitriol at the prevalent bands in 76 or 77 like Floyd, Yes, et al.
Certainly some truth in that although if ELP had not made Works Volume One and stopped at Brain Salad Surgery then I reckon they still would have been a target. I expect Red was an album that found favour with some punks because of the grungy feel while ELP's heavy use of electronics and more meandering style probably didn't!
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