Is Karney allowed back?

By turning this into some sort of religious discussion, we are merely playing along with KE9's game. As Maani implies, KE9 is only using the religious aspect because he is fully aware of Maani's beliefs.

The issue however is only about a member who was ejected because he could not respect either our (very few) rules, or indeed his fellow forum members.

I said in a previous post that I wouldn't be against KE9 being admitted again: well, now I AM!!! I couldn't find the smallest symptom of regret in his message: it's the rest of the world who is misbehaving...

KE9, you might not be a schyzoid but then, what are you? You came here one morning and posted your famous "f**k you all" post all over the forum. Why?

It's just a humble opinion from me, but I have the feeling it would be a mistake to allow him back. Anyway, I guess it's an admin's matter...

 

I never saw any vulgar things KE9 wrote, and I remember Belva being a real pain (is he banned too?).  So I personally don't mind if he was around as long as he behaved.

But if he broke rules then he should be banned.  I'm Christian, I forgive, but a part of this is taking personal responsibility.  If you broke the law, you do your service.  If you break the rules here, you get warned and then, if need be, banned.  That's what happened, so KE9 must accept that.  As Maani said, you may be forgiven.  But that doesn't mean your questionable posts are justified or forgotten.  You screwed up, KE9, so bear the consequences.

Imagine if the attitude towards all harassers on this site was to just keep letting them come back as if they did nothing to deserve their banning.  Grow up and take some responsibility.  This is just a forum where people post stuff about our beloved music genre.  If some nut posts crap, just ignore him and report his post.  He'll get banned, which is how it should work!

Heh, I like Hangedman's analogy: let's let Saddam back out to rule Iraq and hope he behaves.... (Ok, no more Iraq talk, I don't want to get into a political discussion on top of a theological one!)

I am against repeat (or very serious) offenders being allowed back.

In the real world, our actions have consequences. If there are to be no real consequences for offensive behaviour here, then what effective leverage would we have to ensure acceptable behaviour?

Most people (adults, anyway) don't need a fear of punishment to prevent them from doing ill. Unfortunately though, some do. We need real rules, with real consequences, to keep this forum a pleasant place for the broadest segment of people.

If a vote were held, I'd vote to keep him banished...for sure!

(Stay tuned for ProgArchives Survivor Round III)

i will be cool with it, but frenchie wont




*a faint humming in the background ---> 21st century schizoid man

maani wrote: frenchie: Please refrain from serving as Karney's "mouthpiece."  Any further communication from Karney via you on this site will force be deleted. Thanks. Peace.

ah rite, howcome?

fetch me the exorcism kit maani! get this thing outta me!

before master evil returns from his slumber

Wired again Frenchie ?   

Although he was given numerous chances , KE9 has always managed to follow the rules until his crisis, that are relatively easy to spot when they start - usually out of boredom and some mind altering changes (sort of Jekyll & Hyde).

Even if he had found religion, (I think like Maani that this is a ploy to work on his foregiveness), he is likely to repeat his performance. Should he get another chance, he will in all likelyhood blow it again, and on what grounds will he claim re-admission that time - finding the evil dwarves!?!

I never had real scrapping words with him , but always steered clear of his mood swings. As Threefates points out, I believe that if everybody would ignore his bad tempered posts, the man would cool himself off relatively quick. I may be wrong in the following reasoning but hear me out. I believe that there is a set time at which the incidents took places - and generally the admins are sleeping at that time -  but it does not mean that he waits in the shadow for them to be asleep either. If and when he does derail/slip away , it is generally late at night in the UK and a bit in the early morning around 8 or 9 AM UK/GMT time. This means sleepless nights......and probably a cry for help or simple attention. It also could imply substance abuse (medecine , booze others) to be up at that time.

I have calmed down some of the KE9 opponents (no names but those know who they are) by asking them via PM to stop posting replies to his agressive posts, because it was only worsening things. When those persons actually did stop and waited at least until the admins wake up and check what happens on the site. And generally , KE9 was either calmer or gone because no answer got to him anymore.

The best thing to do is to ignore the offensive post giving the exact very answer the offender does not want: SILENCE!!!        &n bsp;         Generally these offensive posts are asking for attention! So Ignoring is the best answer we can give to someone who is offensive.

 

Giving KE9 another chance, is not up to me!! I only doubt it will change much after a few weeks another crisis will have happened! But maybe the way it will be handled , differently and silently, may actually change and minimize the incidents if you are to use my advice .

 

 

KE9 and I have never seen eye to eye although we have have arrived at a sort of peace. I steered clear of him and he steered clear of me (that seemed to work out fine).

The question remains in that when is enough, enough? It's always rough to see a fellow prog lover ejected from the site but his bi-polar attitude to some of the people/opinions here and having had personal experience of his anger leads me to say thanks but no-thanks.






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