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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2010 at 02:23
That's a sentiment I can agree with.  Most are content with just finding a box to put something in so that they don't have to look at it or try to understand it anymore as it's already 'understood' and catagorized.

When something's covered, does it just go away?  Or does it just hover behind the veil of today?

I think any new music from a Flash reunion, or really, any time music is created, has a chance to be awesome.  Will it?  Depends on them. :)  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2010 at 02:47
Well said.  It's all about the music...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2010 at 11:11
I've watched this discussion unfold with muted interest for the past couple of weeks, and only now feel the need to respond.

Firstly, I'll let slide the fact that the Progarchives forum has republished a copyrighted article with neither permission nor intentional attribution (the link at the bottom of the review is hard-coded and appears whenever somebody cuts-and-pastes my posts).

Secondly (and the reason I decided to respond), I find it a little unfair to be called Yes obsessed. This is certainly not the case, as I evidenced on my review of their debut album here.

The reason I grasped the Yes comparison and went with it hammer and throttle is that I'm sent these CDs for review, not to endlessly over-analyse in some leaden, pseudo-academical fug. Therefore it's a case of whether I,  personally, like it or not.  Likewise, if it sounds like something else, then I'm going to mention it. The fact the Flash debut sounded so similar to Yes in so many ways gave me an angle on which to hang the article.

The fact I say how much I enjoyed the album, surely doesn't devalue Flash in any way. If my likening them to a band of which one of their number was a former member does, then it wasn't my intention.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2010 at 11:50
Originally posted by Jeffman Jeffman wrote:


Firstly, I'll let slide the fact that the Progarchives forum has republished a copyrighted article with neither permission nor intentional attribution (the link at the bottom of the review is hard-coded and appears whenever somebody cuts-and-pastes my posts).



The policy at ProgArchives is not to reproduce articles without permission.  If you wish the first post altered (I assume you are the author of the work), I'll be happy to contact an administrator about it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2010 at 12:13
@Padraic

Thanks, but no. It's fine to stay as it is.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2010 at 15:55
hahhaha....

I need another beer..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2010 at 15:58
@ Jeffman - Firstly, I'd like to say, I DID find your review "hugely entertaining", and the mind-twisting headline - captivating!  That's why I posted it, and I noticed your hard-coded link when I previewed before posting - I always give a link so people can verify and contact. I appreciate you letting us keep it here.

Secondly, sorry I called you "Yes-obsessed".  That was a bit glib, but the Yes comparisons DO tend to get tiresome sometimes.  You at least, made it fun!  And, after all, you liked the album, and I like that...

Cheers and regards.  Please keep up the good work...

P.S.  Flash will soon have a new CD for you to review.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2010 at 17:21
And just for the record next member to whinge about Admin "censoring" the posting of lyrics, reviews, images etc will be pointed towards Jeffman's post above. Then suspended.

To Jeffman: I meant to edit Sherry's post but, like a naive fool, presumed permission to reproduce had been sought and given. Apologies.






Edited by Tony R - March 13 2010 at 17:24
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2010 at 18:01
And I'd like to apologize to Jeffman for not contacting him for permission prior to posting.  Sharing is so fast and easy online, I honestly didn't think about it.  I assumed!  I realize now, just providing a link isn't enough.  Sorry.Embarrassed (embarrassed)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2010 at 18:07
Clap honest mistake.. not like you were using the review as yours but always a good idea to ask first.  I used to post John McFerrins reviews all the time...  finally when I got in contact with him ...I asked and he said no problem using them here in various discussion (what a great reviewer.. shame he doesn't review here).  Most people would be tickled to see their work even read... probably happy if someone wanted to use it... but it is good form to ask first.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2010 at 20:55
Originally posted by sherrynoland sherrynoland wrote:

@ Jeffman - Firstly, I'd like to say, I DID find your review "hugely entertaining", and the mind-twisting headline - captivating!  That's why I posted it, and I noticed your hard-coded link when I previewed before posting - I always give a link so people can verify and contact. I appreciate you letting us keep it here.

Secondly, sorry I called you "Yes-obsessed".  That was a bit glib, but the Yes comparisons DO tend to get tiresome sometimes.  You at least, made it fun!  And, after all, you liked the album, and I like that...

Cheers and regards.  Please keep up the good work...

P.S.  Flash will soon have a new CD for you to review.

Hi Sherry, thanks for posting the updates!  They are sounding great, I LOVE "Manhattan Morning"!  

Back in the early 1970's (and I remember them well, somehow!) it seems that any band with vocal harmonies and keys were being compared to Yes.  The fact that Banks and Kaye both were founding members gave the media a tag to lay onto the band, although it wasn't terribly accurate IMHO.   Most of the bands that crits said "sounded like Yes" sounded nothing like the band. 

Ray's bass style in Flash did draw comparisons to Chris Squire, rightly or wrongly....hell, they were flat-mates, probably shared the same bass and picks!   It wouldn't surprise me if Ray was the one who invented the sound, as Squire was big on John Entwhistle (who didn't use a pick) back then.    

Ray's style was more straight-ahead rock & roll, but their general bass tone was similar...very trebly bass, with excellent sound definition and speed due to the use of a pick vs. fingers.   Other bassists in that style back then included Jon Camp from Renaissance and Gary Strater from Starcastle.   

Consider me a '70s prog bass fanatic!!  Take care, hugs to Ray & the guys!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2010 at 15:45
@ cstack3

Thanks for commenting.  These guys are all fiercely independent artists.  There was/is no copying going on.  I know for a fact that Ray Bennett doesn't listen to other players much - he's too busy playing.  He laughs at the comparisons.  Maybe I'll get in trouble for telling you -- he thinks Chris is fine, but he'd have no problem going toe-to-toe with him any day of the week!  I think Chris would agree.

Ray's moved on to guitar now...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2010 at 16:55
Originally posted by sherrynoland sherrynoland wrote:

@ cstack3

Thanks for commenting.  These guys are all fiercely independent artists.  There was/is no copying going on.  I know for a fact that Ray Bennett doesn't listen to other players much - he's too busy playing.  He laughs at the comparisons.  Maybe I'll get in trouble for telling you -- he thinks Chris is fine, but he'd have no problem going toe-to-toe with him any day of the week!  I think Chris would agree.

Ray's moved on to guitar now...

Yeah, Ray's guitar work is really fantastic!  He channels a bit of Fripp on the latest videos you posted on YouTube!  

Back in the early 1970's, both Ray and Chris were my bass-heroes, and I enjoyed the sound of the Rickenbacker bass & roundwound strings!   I think Ray would have given Chris a run for his money back then for sure! 

Flash's new bassist is doing a great job, and I love the drums and keys!  Keyboards add a lot to their music.  
Here's hoping for a great tour and successful CD launch! Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 26 2010 at 01:36
Now that there are no Yes men in the band, it'll be interesting to see if the comparisons continue....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2010 at 15:28
An answer to my own musings....

As the comments come in, so far, the only comparisons from fans have been comparing Flash to Flash!  Like this one...

"Wow!  It sounds just like Flash, only updated...modern."

Nice.  Thumbs   Up
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