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Dellinger
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Posted: November 09 2009 at 22:28 |
If I have to choose, I prefer Gilmour, though they were at their best when they worked togeter (and with Wright too).
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cjgone
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Posted: November 09 2009 at 23:25 |
DSOTM and WYWH were their best, Gilmour.-
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progkidjoel
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Posted: November 09 2009 at 23:34 |
Waters - A fantastic bassist and a great writer, whereas Glimour is a standard vocalist and a sickeningly overrated guitarist.
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The Sleepwalker
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Posted: November 10 2009 at 03:16 |
Roger is nothing more than a decent bass player, while Gilmour is capable of playing the bass much better than him and also is probably my favorite guitar player ever. it's very close, but my vote does go to Roger though. His songwriting is brilliant, where Gilmour's songwriting doesn't really do much to me. Though Roger isn't a technical vocalist at all, I do enjoy his voice incredibly. Definitely the whispering and shouting on The Final Cut is brilliant.
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DocJ
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Posted: November 10 2009 at 06:46 |
Roger Waters for his creativity.
Edited by DocJ - November 10 2009 at 06:49
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lazland
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Posted: November 10 2009 at 13:56 |
I love both, but Floyd without Waters simply wasn't the same.
MLOR was a distinctly average album, whilst Division Bell was simply dreadful. I quite enjoyed the last Gilmour effort, but it is hardly an all time classic.
In contrast, Waters is responsible for the bulk of the lyrics and atmosphere that made Floyd great, and Amused to Death will, I feel, be regarded in many years to come as an incredible piece of music that was sickeningly underrated in its day. It is a work of genius, end of.
I love both of them, and Gilmour's contribution to Floyd at their peak cannot be understated, but it is Waters for me every time.
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Dellinger
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Posted: November 10 2009 at 21:15 |
Whenever Gilmour adds a guitar solo to a song, it is really uplifted and shines. Perhaps the grandiosity of their working together is that what Waters does with his lirics, Gilmour does with the guitar, so, once again, they were at their best when they worked together. I just wonder what would have become of Amused to Death if Gilmour had played (and allowed some input) there, as well as what would have become of The Division Bell if Waters had provided the concept and the lirics to those songs (this is an album that I personally love). And, not to forget Wright, what would have been of Broken China if Gilmour had played there (I guess the concept was too personal for Wright to have been allowed to have had it changed by Waters). In the end, what would we have heard if this three records had been made by the old Classic Pink Floyd Line-up. Doubtlessly they would have been undeniable classics as DSotM, WYWH, and Animals.
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Dellinger
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Posted: November 10 2009 at 21:17 |
And as far as singing goes, they are also at their best when they sing together. I guess Gilmour is the better singer, but Waters has such a unique mellancholic voice that Pink Floyd just wasn't the same without his voice.
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SaltyJon
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Posted: November 11 2009 at 01:24 |
Syd Barrett. As far as the actual options, though, I'm not sure...probably Roger.
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RoyFairbank
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Posted: November 11 2009 at 08:19 |
Roger Waters is Pink Floyd, at least after 1970. David Gilmour is a very, very good guitarist.
Pros and Cons and Amused to Death are better and more Floydish albums than Momentary Lapse and Division Bell, though perhaps less replay friendly.
Look at David Gilmour's solo albums and the all the many co-writers he needs....
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The Sleepwalker
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Posted: November 11 2009 at 08:52 |
RoyFairbank wrote:
Roger Waters is Pink Floyd, at least after 1970. David Gilmour is a very, very good guitarist.
Pros and Cons and Amused to Death are better and more Floydish albums than Momentary Lapse and Division Bell, though perhaps less replay friendly.
Look at David Gilmour's solo albums and the all the many co-writers he needs....
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I don't agree with that at all. I'm going to compare two albums: The Final Cut by Roger Waters, but performed by Pink Floyd and The Pros And Cons Of Hitchiking, by Roger. The first is one of my favorite albums ever, the second is only decent IMO. A very important reason for this is the presence of David Gilmour's unique style of guitar playing on The Final Cut, whereas Eric Clapton's on the Pros and Cons doesn't do much to me.
I think these statements of Roger is Pink Floyd and David is Pink Floyd all are terrible. ALL band members (except Syd IMO) are so essential to the sound of the band, and none can be missed (which is why after Roger left the band went very downhill). Even a drummer like Nick Mason, who is often said to be just an avarage drummer, is so important to the sound of Pink Floyd. Can you imagine "Time" with a shredding solo in the middle of it? "Shine On" with super technical drum fills? "Welcome To The Machine" without the industrial synth sounds? Roger isn't PF, nor is David, Richard or Nick... but when together they are Pink Floyd though.
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emdiar
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Posted: November 11 2009 at 10:18 |
As a musician (bassist), Waters is very ordinary indeed. His bass parts (which I assume he writes himself) never dare to stray far from the "root note-octave-root note-octave" crotchets he learned to play in the 60s. Has he never heard of thirds and fifths? As a session musician he would have starved to death, so luckily for him, he got a permanent gig. Or maybe there lurks a secret Pastorius somewhere inside, who once heard that less is more and took it a little too literally? In interviews he comes over as a bitter man, but what has he really got to be bitter about? His failed career? Obviously not. He is one of the most successful song writers of all time. Lack of recognition as a genius? Well, he had the nerve to describe himself as "The genius behind Pink Floyd's music" on posters and ads for his last tour, without shame or irony, so I guess he believes it to be an irrefutable fact. Personally, I think the sound texture of PF is more important than the structure or subject matter of the songs, and this can be chiefly attributed to the rest of the band, but especially Gilmore.
Gilmore for me. As a musician, one of the true greats. Vocally far superior to Waters, who stubbornly strains to reach notes that will never be available to him.
("There is no f**king Pink Floyd! I am Pink Floyd"- Roger Waters.)
Edited by emdiar - November 11 2009 at 16:34
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DocJ
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Posted: November 11 2009 at 14:00 |
floydispink wrote:
I don't agree with that at all. I'm going to compare two albums: The Final Cut by Roger Waters, but performed by Pink Floyd and The Pros And Cons Of Hitchiking, by Roger. |
A simplistic suggestion of only two albums proves nothing.
Hitchiking? What is that?
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The Sleepwalker
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Posted: November 11 2009 at 14:04 |
DocJ wrote:
floydispink wrote:
I don't agree with that at all. I'm going to compare two albums: The Final Cut by Roger Waters, but performed by Pink Floyd and The Pros And Cons Of Hitchiking, by Roger. |
A simplistic suggestion of only two albums proves nothing.
Hitchiking? What is that?
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Hitch hiking, excuse me.
A simplistic suggestion of only two albums proves nothing indeed, that's why there was some more text in my post.
Edited by floydispink - November 11 2009 at 14:04
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Silverbeard McStarr
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Posted: November 11 2009 at 15:47 |
I'm sure it's been said before, but I really prefer the band without a frontman. Doing long songs with jams and experimentation in them with all of the band doing whatever they do best. Wish You Were Here, the best Floyd album clearly did not have any frontman, and anything from the Roger Waters era is way overrated (though good), and from Dave Gilmour era is just good.
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SgtPepper67
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Posted: November 11 2009 at 18:29 |
Both, I can't really choose. There's no doubt their contribution to Pink Floyd's music was equally essential in my opinion. None of them really had an outsanding solo career, but they both released one great album: Amused to death and On an Island. The rest of their albums are good but no that especial, at least for Pink Floyd standards.
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tdfloyd
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Posted: November 11 2009 at 22:03 |
progkidjoel wrote:
Waters - A fantastic bassist and a great writer, whereas Glimour is a standard vocalist and a sickeningly overrated guitarist. |
Gilmour played most of Floyd's bass.
Edited by tdfloyd - November 11 2009 at 22:04
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tdfloyd
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Posted: November 11 2009 at 22:06 |
cjgone wrote:
DSOTM and WYWH were their best, Gilmour.- |
DSOTM and WYWH were their best, Wright!
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Dellinger
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Posted: November 11 2009 at 22:16 |
tdfloyd wrote:
progkidjoel wrote:
Waters - A fantastic bassist and a great writer, whereas Glimour is a standard vocalist and a sickeningly overrated guitarist. |
Gilmour played most of Floyd's bass. |
I think that saying Gilmour played most of Floyd's bass is a bit of an exageretion, but he did play bass on some tracks. The ones I know of are the beginning of One of This Days, and the bass solo on Hey You. And this must be some of the most interesting bass parts on Floyd discography.
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Pekka
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Posted: November 12 2009 at 00:01 |
Waters' ego as a bassist is respectfully small for someone who's sold a zillion records featuring his bass work. I think that on Amused to Death he plays bass on only one song, and just parts of it.
Amused to Death beats most of everything Floyd ever did, but if we consider the albums PF made under either Roger's or David's dictatorship, I generally prefer the Gilmour ones. Lapse > Cut, Bell > Wall.
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