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Points: 2619 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2009 at 05:56
I want talk about " Backdoor angels". If you note to rythme you find very intresting things. bass-drums in powerful shape with organ and then guitar play solo over that. this combination repeat in "queen and country". You can see professional " modulation"s in these 2 songs. I love warchild.
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Points: 610 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2009 at 15:05
Originally posted by O666 O666 wrote:

I want talk about " Backdoor angels". If you note to rythme you find very intresting things. bass-drums in powerful shape with organ and then guitar play solo over that. this combination repeat in "queen and country". You can see professional " modulation"s in these 2 songs. I love warchild.
 
Good song. Would have been cool if Warchild was a double album. At least the proggers and poppers would have been happy LOL. Maybe the so called unreleased songs Beaches 1 and 2 could have been released on it as well as March the mad scientist which is also from 1974. That would have made 20 songs


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I think Warchild was clearly on its way to being a concept album of some kind, but got deisassembled along the way and became a collection of cuts.. still a great record, especially the remaster

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Points: 65268 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2009 at 15:12
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:


I really think we should remove jethro Tull from the annals of "prog" ... that's not to say that it is not good music ... I'm just not interested in radio and 4 minutes orgasms anymore ...


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Originally posted by PROGMONSTER2008 PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:

1971
1-up the pool
2-dr bogenbroom
3-for later
4-wondring again
5-aqualung
6-cross eyed mary
7-up to me
8-wondring aloud
9-cheap day return
10-mother goose
11-life is a long song(remix)
12-lick your fingers clean
13-wind up(quad)
14-locomotive breath(quad)
15-life is a long song
16-nursie
17-my god
18-wind up
19-locomotive breath
20-hymn 43
21-slipstream
 
1974
1-rainbow blues
2-glory row
3-paradise steakhouse
4-quartet
5-march the mad scientist
6-saturation
7-sealion 2
8-warchild
9-queen and country
10-solitaire
11-skating away
12-warchild waltz
13-back door angels
14-ladies
15-bungle in the jungle(remix)
16-two fingers
17-the third hoorah
18-bungle in the jungle
19-sealion
 
That is 2 double albums as you say. Would have been a much better look at the band to have all their great songs on 1 cd and also the commercial ones. I would have preferred 2 albums of the best 10-12 songs each with a good track order alterning heavy and soft. For example:
 
Aqualung-
 
aqualung
up the pool
cross eyed mary
wond'ring aloud
up to me
for later
locomotive breath
dr bogenbroom
my god
life is a long song (that remix is alot better as you say)
cheap day return
lick your fingers clean
wond'ring again
mother goose
 
That's 14 songs, but mainly strong songs and my interest would be maintained all the way through the album. A better version and much more interesting 2nd half to the album Tongue
 
Warchild-
 
warchild
march the mad scientist
paradise steakhouse
quartet
rainbow blues
skating away
saturation
glory row
sealion 2 (but for the album it woul be called sealion)
only solitaire
queen and country
warchild waltz
 
Now that would be a much better and proggier version of the album Smile
 
 
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Points: 17529 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2009 at 20:49
Hi,
 
So .. now we should add a new category for the prog archives ... "hitradio prog" ... and of course the ultimate band for that oen would be jethro Tull ... heck ... might as well put Genesis in there and ELP and Yes ...
 
Ohhh btw, these people were instrumental in helping FM radio make its mark in the USA ... at a time that FM radio was intentionally trashing the fast paced AM radio and it's top ten routines ... and sadly ... 10 years later, almost all of these stations were bought out in America by the record company conglomerates that don't give a cahoot about music ... heck ... you're not likely to hear any Jethro Tull these days other than Aqualung ... and even then it is another one of those moron stations playing 70's hits!
 
Sadly enough ... thinking that the only thing that is "prog" is the bunch of the bands that got on the air in those days, and not as many today ... to define what became known as "prog" ... in essence has killed the ability of the audience to enjoy actually listening to music ... instead of hearing the "fans" ... I'm wondering if the biggest issue here is people feeling left out because their favorite band is no longer "tops" ...
 
Yes, Jethro Tull has a lot of music, and yes, these are very nice songs and stuff ... but sorry ... it's all they are to me ... just songs ... and "prog" ... by its very nature is not about "songs" ... it's about MUSIC ...
 
It could be said that it's the same thing, but sadly I don't think that fandom, is going to be the definition of music that lasts out 500 years and becomes the Beethovens and Mozarts of your day and mine ... 
 
Ian has a lot better music in his heart ... but he has sold his sould to commercial music ... just because it has an instrument here and there in an off-time beat here and there ... does NOT make it prog. That would be way too simplistic of a definition and ... in the end ... would generalize the quality of this music to the point of making it irrelevant and unimportant.
 
Jethro Tull has some good things ... so do a lot of other people, and we can even add David Bowie to the mix, who was actually quite adventurous with his own music ... and should be considered somewhat progressive, however, it was still in the pop area ... same with Roxy Music, even Queen, 10CC ... and so many others. That's the area that Jethro Tull should remain ... not as a prog stalwart.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,
 
So .. now we should add a new category for the prog archives ... "hitradio prog" ... and of course the ultimate band for that oen would be jethro Tull ... heck ... might as well put Genesis in there and ELP and Yes ...
 
Ohhh btw, these people were instrumental in helping FM radio make its mark in the USA ... at a time that FM radio was intentionally trashing the fast paced AM radio and it's top ten routines ... and sadly ... 10 years later, almost all of these stations were bought out in America by the record company conglomerates that don't give a cahoot about music ... heck ... you're not likely to hear any Jethro Tull these days other than Aqualung ... and even then it is another one of those moron stations playing 70's hits!
 
Sadly enough ... thinking that the only thing that is "prog" is the bunch of the bands that got on the air in those days, and not as many today ... to define what became known as "prog" ... in essence has killed the ability of the audience to enjoy actually listening to music ... instead of hearing the "fans" ... I'm wondering if the biggest issue here is people feeling left out because their favorite band is no longer "tops" ...
 
Yes, Jethro Tull has a lot of music, and yes, these are very nice songs and stuff ... but sorry ... it's all they are to me ... just songs ... and "prog" ... by its very nature is not about "songs" ... it's about MUSIC ...
 
It could be said that it's the same thing, but sadly I don't think that fandom, is going to be the definition of music that lasts out 500 years and becomes the Beethovens and Mozarts of your day and mine ... 
 
Ian has a lot better music in his heart ... but he has sold his sould to commercial music ... just because it has an instrument here and there in an off-time beat here and there ... does NOT make it prog. That would be way too simplistic of a definition and ... in the end ... would generalize the quality of this music to the point of making it irrelevant and unimportant.
 
Jethro Tull has some good things ... so do a lot of other people, and we can even add David Bowie to the mix, who was actually quite adventurous with his own music ... and should be considered somewhat progressive, however, it was still in the pop area ... same with Roxy Music, even Queen, 10CC ... and so many others. That's the area that Jethro Tull should remain ... not as a prog stalwart.
 
Prog is jazz/classical rock. This can be either played in a 4 minute song or a 10-20 minute song. If the song isn't controlled by guitar and it has a smart melody with an even input of instruments with good bass ideas and some sort of complexity. Then it's prog Wink. Prog doesn't have to be inventing or experimenting and it doesn't have to be in a 10 minute + format. If you're a natural at making smart rock music with jazz/classical influence and you don't listen to hard rock or metal then you'll naturally produce prog. SFTW and Heavy horses is folk based prog. APP and TAAB are similar but less on the folk side. Alot of the songs from 1971 and 1974 are in a similar mould. Smartly arranged tunes. Side B of Aqualung is more of a bunch of commercial hard rock songs, Side A is the heavy folk prog side and the other folk prog is found on the 2nd side of LITP. Warchild has a number of commercially friendly tunes, but the bonus tracks are more on the non pop prog side. A is full of prog tunes too


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Points: 610 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2009 at 17:56

Tull 1969-71 were a prog related heavy folk rock band. Their heavyish songs were prog related in a way Purple and sabbath were back then. They definately weren't hard rock apart from Wind up and maybe Locomotive breath. But songs such as Cross eyed Mary, Aqualung, Teacher, To cry you a song, For later, Sweet dream, Living in the past are not your standard 1 noted continuous bass playing hard rock songs. They have medievil classical influences all through them with a jazz approach. The folk songs are not traditional folk songs, they are folk rock songs. A fusion of 2 styles, similar to Zeppelins folk of that time. I always thought a fusion of musical styles was considered prog. It was either jazz/classical and rock or folk and rock back then Wink
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