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Posted: May 16 2009 at 20:03

Unless you like Prog they've all aged badly:

A Play by Roy Fairbank:

KID 1: Awz geez, dez no booms and swears in diz song and no intimidationz vocalz

For a prog fan:

Uh, Pink Floyd 67-72, every band 67-72. That's pre-prog.

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Posted: May 17 2009 at 05:31

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akamaisondufromage wrote:

Rick Wakeman VI wives of Henry VIII. It was dated before he recorded it and now he's thretening to perform it live - God help us! Aaaagh! Ok I admit it it's not just that it's dated - its also rubbish!

That album sounds great and fresh to my ears still

It also sounds great and fresh to me! And I listen to all kinds of "serious" music... Is this just nostalgia? (I first discovered Rick in 1975.) Surely not...

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Posted: May 17 2009 at 05:57

Hercules wrote:

In the Court of the Crimson King. I used to think it was good at one time. Now, except for Epitaph, I can't listen to most of it.

Heh, my opinion is the very opposite of yours. Awesome album, but 'Epitaph' is to be skipped at all costs. If '70s prog could ever be emo, that song was it.

Gotta agree about prog Genesis - there are moments where it still sounds very fresh and inventive, but there's enough of the opposite as well.

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Posted: May 17 2009 at 06:18

All the "prog turned pop" stuff sounds horribly dated. I'd rather have sore testicles for an entire day than sit through 2 songs off 90125, it really is that disgustingly dated.

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Posted: May 17 2009 at 06:21

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Posted: May 17 2009 at 06:23

It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough.

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Posted: May 17 2009 at 06:25

Metallica's Kill 'Em All was released in the same year. 90125 dated horribly, whereas Kill 'Em All was just ahead of it's time. That album could have been released in 1989 and I'd honestly think it was from then instead of 1983 Same for Megadeth's Rust In Peace, that album sounds like it could have been written much later than when it was released.
The pop rock/prog crowd could learn a thing or two from some good metal bands about how to write albums that age well.

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Posted: May 17 2009 at 06:30

Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:

The pop rock/prog crowd could learn a thing or two from some good metal bands about how to write albums that age well.

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Posted: May 17 2009 at 06:30

Musically, I think some of it aged incredibly well, but man, some of those old Frank Zappa records have production that unfortunately just screams out the era it came from.

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Posted: May 17 2009 at 08:06

fuxi wrote:

PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:

That album sounds great and fresh to my ears still

It also sounds great and fresh to me! And I listen to all kinds of "serious" music... Is this just nostalgia? (I first discovered Rick in 1975.) Surely not...

How anyone can say that "Six Wives" is rubbish is beyond me, unless a non prog fan says it, then it makes sense.

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Posted: May 17 2009 at 08:10

fuxi wrote:

PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:

That album sounds great and fresh to my ears still

It also sounds great and fresh to me! And I listen to all kinds of "serious" music... Is this just nostalgia? (I first discovered Rick in 1975.) Surely not...

It may very well be nostalgia. I am sure that some of the stuff I love (Like Supper's Ready) has an exagerated effect on me due to being so young when I first listened to it (Over and over again I might add!). I am very guilty of disliking Henry's Wives cos even then, when I listened to Prog Prog and more Prog I couldn't get into the twidley didley keyboard stuff with no vocals to boot! And about some King's wives! Why do it?

Guilty as charged as I haven't listened to it since - there is too much good stuff out there to listen to - me thinks!

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Posted: May 17 2009 at 08:38

Some mentioned In The Court Of The Krimson King.

While I agree to a degree Emoticons

, there's another side of the coin.

Mellotron sounds dated. Absolutely. First, in the mid-seventies, paraphonic synthesizers came out (string machines), then polyphonic synths, then Fairlight samplers, then digital synths, putting Mellotron to the obsolecy.

ITCOTCK sounds dated today, perhaps. But guess what? It was ahead of its time. No-one did such an approach and the layers flooded with melly before. It's a record from 1969! Only the Beatles (and perhaps a few others) showed such craftmanship in production at the time. Everything else sounded 'sixties', dry organ, fuzzing guitars, bucketful of drums, flat bass (bass is my only complaint about the 60s sound which I love to death). Colloseum, Jefferson Airplane, Barret's Pink Floyd - you can't miss the era they were recorded. Even the sophisticated The Nice with their early symphonic workouts actually sound similar. But ITCOCK sounds ahead of its time. It could have been recorded in any timeframe between 1970-1978. It set some standards for prog rock and rock in general.

In my opinion, The Timelessness Prix should go to the Camel's debut. It's just incredible in its sounds. And yes, it contains vintage keyboards, Hammond through the wah wah pedal, Mellotrons but somehow...I don't know. But 'Never Let Go' could have been recorded in 1986!!!

As for The Sounds Dated Prix, any prog record made after punk came in, but before 1981, well you know..loads of synths and slighlty going disco. If I have to cherry-pick one, that will be TRIUMVIRAT "Spartacus". I like it though.

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Posted: May 17 2009 at 08:45

^Re AKAMAISON DU FROMAGE

I'm not joining in the musical debate (I liked Six Wives at the time, but haven't heard it in ages) but about the KING'S WIVES?

Oh no, not much for inspiration there then, just the odd beheading, religious/secular intrigue, securing the Royal succession, meeting that nobody Francis I of France on the Field of the Cloth of Gold, dying a sad and basically lonely death thru embarrassing STDs... and that's just the king!!!

Seriously, if that kinda sh*t don't get some musical notes flying round the cerebellum, what does?

Are you just jealous because Anne Boleyn's ghost walks near Norwich and not Bristol?

That's a real

by the way - I've been to Bristol a few times and like it

Edited by el dingo - May 17 2009 at 08:48

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Posted: May 17 2009 at 08:49

In reply to 'Snow Dog'. you are right I'm not a 'Prog Fan' but I do like a lot of Canterbury scene stuff, Krautrock, Spacerock which features heavily on this site. (oh and early to mid Genesis too :see above)

But I am sure there are others out there who do concider themselves Prog Fans and DON'T like Rick Wakeman's opus. Or maybe I'm wrong?

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Posted: May 17 2009 at 08:56

el dingo wrote:

^Re AKAMAISON DU FROMAGE

I'm not joining in the musical debate (I liked Six Wives at the time, but haven't heard it in ages) but about the KING'S WIVES?

Seriously, if that kinda sh*t don't get some musical notes flying round the cerebellum, what does?

Are you just jealous because Anne Boleyn's ghost walks near Norwich and not Bristol?

That's a real

by the way - I've been to Bristol a few times and like it

Norwich is alright too! And you're right about the wives I just didn't find them intresting as a teenager! (I prefered live girls to historical ones).

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Posted: May 17 2009 at 08:58

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Dated???? What does that mean???

I was about to ask the same question. And himtroy gave a great answer:

himtroy wrote:

I don't really understand what you would mean by this. I can listen to music and pretty immediately tell what era it's from, but I don't feel that its dated. 60's music for example has a very specific sound, but that doesn't mean it's outdated....People will always like good music and dislike bad music however it suits them

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Posted: May 17 2009 at 09:00

Snow Dog wrote:

fuxi wrote:

PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:

That album sounds great and fresh to my ears still

It also sounds great and fresh to me! And I listen to all kinds of "serious" music... Is this just nostalgia? (I first discovered Rick in 1975.) Surely not...

How anyone can say that "Six Wives" is rubbish is beyond me, unless a non prog fan says it, then it makes sense.

Ditto!

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Posted: May 17 2009 at 09:05

akamaisondufromage wrote:

But I am sure there are others out there who do concider themselves Prog Fans and DON'T like Rick Wakeman's opus. Or maybe I'm wrong?

You are probably right due to the fact that there are so many sub genres, I wouldn't also expect a Prog Metal fan to paticularly like it. What I meant though was a Symphonic Prog fan or at least a ELP-Yes-Genesis fan. Its irrelevent to the topic anyway as its not about what album you thought was rubbish.

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Posted: May 17 2009 at 09:08

akamaisondufromage wrote:

el dingo wrote:

^Re AKAMAISON DU FROMAGE

I'm not joining in the musical debate (I liked Six Wives at the time, but haven't heard it in ages) but about the KING'S WIVES?

Seriously, if that kinda sh*t don't get some musical notes flying round the cerebellum, what does?

Are you just jealous because Anne Boleyn's ghost walks near Norwich and not Bristol?

That's a real

by the way - I've been to Bristol a few times and like it

Norwich is alright too! And you're right about the wives I just didn't find them intresting as a teenager! (I prefered live girls to historical ones).

Me too - I had to do a thesis on Tudor politics and know what you mean. And despite my advancing years, I still prefer the live of the species to the deceased. Except the Mrs, but that's another story

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Posted: May 17 2009 at 09:43

The entire Genesis discography up to and including Trick of the Tail sounds very woolly and dated to my rodent ears. That's no slight on the music, some of which is truly breathtaking but Gabriel, Collins & Co always sound muddy and 'boxy' to me, even the supposedly remastered, digitally enhanced, 24 bit, racing striped, go faster CD versions. I read an interview with PG recently where he commented that the production on the earlier albums didn't really do the music justice ?