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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2009 at 14:06
Originally posted by Jorvik Jorvik wrote:

Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

How many people even in a music-phile forum like this, actually can tell the difference? Most folks don't even have more than a 2-band EQ, let alone the ear to tell the difference between a 192k Mp3 and CD quality. I barely do and I've spend many many hours mixing and mastering music.
 
Isn't FLAC still 50-60% of memory usage as .wav? Which defeats part of the convenience of the mp3 in the first place.


I daresay the MP3s streamed from this site are probably not very high bitrate so as to save bandwidth, but I can hear it – they sound flat, dull and lifeless. I still think one of the strongest arguments for lossless is "how do you know whether you're missing information if it isn't there to be heard".

As for EQ, I don't believe in it and always turn it off: I don't want the music unnecessarily coloured by EQ or supposedly-pleasant sounding speakers – I prefer to listen to music as near to as the artist intended as possible, which is one reason for having studio monitors and decent in-ear monitors for my music player.

Yes, FLAC compresses file size to about 50–60% that of WAV, but as I said earlier, these days with high capacity miniature hard-drives and flash devices and high-speed internet, MP3 is not so much a convenience as a pointless compromise.

I agree with Mr ProgFreak about music being the most important thing, but the additional aspects of a physical medium and artwork etc still adds something to the whole experience which it would be a shame to lose. I don't like the idea of only having files though as they can easily be lost or corrupted (which I've had happen on occasion), with a CD it's always there as a back-up should the worst happen.

Anyway, I'm really looking forward to getting Hybris as I'm looking forward to holding it and looking at the artwork (I shall say no more). Wink
 
 
I'm calling Shenanigans. What do you mean by "flat and lifeless"? Generally, that descriptor is used for over-compressed music that lacks dynamics....that's a mastering level choice and has absolutely nothing to do mp3 encoding. If you turn off your EQ yet claim to be able to tell the difference, I'm skeptical.
 
I don't know about your portable player, but if was using FLAC instead of mp3, I wouldn't be able to carry my entire music catalog with me constantly, which is a nice thing.
 
There's an old story about a bunch of wine critics not being able to tell $20 wine from $2000 wine in a blind test......this reminds of that.
 
 
Edit: Seeing that you're using extremely high end monitoring, you obviously have some audio savvy. What is it that you're actually hearing? There are old prog works, "In a Glass House" is a good example, where the hiss in the upper frequency ranges is so loud that the decreased resolution in the upper frequencies that is the mp3 data loss would do nothing but change the nature of the hiss.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2009 at 18:01
On topic, I've just received an email:

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Your order of Hybris was sent today.


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Wow, Anna Holmgren! I think I need to go and sit down... I can't wait, it's nearly here!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2009 at 18:12
Originally posted by Jorvik Jorvik wrote:

On topic, I've just received an email:

Hello,

Your order of Hybris was sent today.


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Wow, Anna Holmgren! I think I need to go and sit down... I can't wait, it's nearly here!
 
Congratulations, Jorvik!!  Keep us posted--I'd be interested to know if the tracklist in particular is the same as the most recent Akarma version (four studio tracks and bonus track of Ganglat Fran Knapptible) or if any new remastering has been done.
 
What incredible music . . . I have to concur with Greg Walker when he said that if they had continued, they would probably be considered as one of the greatest prog bands of all time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2009 at 18:35
Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

I'm calling Shenanigans. What do you mean by "flat and lifeless"? Generally, that descriptor is used for over-compressed music that lacks dynamics....that's a mastering level choice and has absolutely nothing to do mp3 encoding. If you turn off your EQ yet claim to be able to tell the difference, I'm skeptical.
 
I don't know about your portable player, but if was using FLAC instead of mp3, I wouldn't be able to carry my entire music catalog with me constantly, which is a nice thing.
 
There's an old story about a bunch of wine critics not being able to tell $20 wine from $2000 wine in a blind test......this reminds of that.
 
 
Edit: Seeing that you're using extremely high end monitoring, you obviously have some audio savvy. What is it that you're actually hearing? There are old prog works, "In a Glass House" is a good example, where the hiss in the upper frequency ranges is so loud that the decreased resolution in the upper frequencies that is the mp3 data loss would do nothing but change the nature of the hiss.


Ah, I was just about to reply and only just spotted your edit.

Being able to hear the tape hiss well can be rather distracting -- hearing imperfections better is a bit of a downside.

I generally describe overly-compressed music as "overly-compressed, too loud and lacking in dynamic range" rather than flat and lifeless -- Anekdoten's last album fits that bill to some extent -- but I see that that description would be apt there as well. I'm not sure I've ever come across anyone using those terms for overly-compressed music though.

This is the problem with music, trying to describe it without using woolly, ill-defined terms. By dull and lifeless I had in mind the lack of erm... I was going to say sparkle... high-end detail and clarity, that's better, in cymbals -- I find they usually sound a bit muddy, exactly like they've been run through a high-cut filter. Fine detail is often missing from breath sounds from either vocalists or close-mic'd wind players. The lack of high frequency detail in reverb tails can make some mixes sound shallower -- less front-to-back depth to the soundstage as the altered reverb affects depth/distance perception. All the sorts of things that are usually associated with "air" in a mix.

I don't see what my choice of EQ setting has to do with all this though. It's a choice -- I prefer to listen to music flat, with no hyped bass or other boosts or cuts to alter the sound to make it "pleasing"; I listen to all music this way and am used to it, plus I know my monitors pretty well with mixing on them as well.

As for my music player, I have the vast majority of my music collection on there and only have about 4 GB free out of 80 GB -- capacity is going to become an issue as my (currently small) collection grows, but I'm just going to have to live with it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2009 at 18:47

Well that makes some sense. "Sparkle" and "Air" are the usual terms for the extreme high end of the spectrum, which of course is the thing that gets progressively most destroyed by mp3.

The reason the EQ thing threw me was that truly flat speakers sound pretty bad to the layperson. I have a pair for mixing and mastering and though the clarity and separation are great, it's not the same thing I want when I listen to music for enjoyment. Most of the time, and maybe with your high end monitoring this isn't true, you need EQ to really define a great sound, considering the room, etc. etc.

The other thing is that the level of definition we're talking about is beyond the quality of some of the source signals to matter. (My previous example about hiss, but there are others)

Sorry to call wrong, there are frankly few folks who would know the reverb tail on a cymbal from a raccoon tail or the depth of a soundstage from.....well that's enough.

Congrats on the Anglagard. They are an unbelievable band. I totally agree that having the booklet in front of you is part of the experience.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2009 at 18:26
This is GREAT news.

A date for Epilog ? Would be wise to order them both at the same time.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2009 at 18:28
Excellent, I've been after this for ages! Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 26 2009 at 08:28
Originally posted by GosudO GosudO wrote:

This is GREAT news.

A date for Epilog ? Would be wise to order them both at the same time.


There was no date when I ordered on Sunday night, I think just vague mention of "in a few months" or something similar.

I already own Epilog, however, if I did not I would still have ordered Hybris now rather than waiting to order both at once – I wouldn't want to miss out just to save a few pounds on postage and packing LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 26 2009 at 12:48
I'm really curious about the album. I just didn't want to spend more than a 100 dollars or euros for a copy. It's very interesting news.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 26 2009 at 12:50
The album is amazing. Epilog is a little mellower, but still very very good. If you like prog, get them both.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 26 2009 at 15:32
Thanks for the recommendation, Negoba. I'm a big Genesis fan and I like the Scandinavian touch (bands like Anekdoten and White Willow), so I suppose this really could be something for me, because if I recall well, the music has some links to Genesis and really is Scandinavian in sound.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2009 at 15:03
Right, my copy arrived today. When I ripped it, the CD was recognised by the FreeDB CD database as the remastered version and it has the bonus track Gånglåt från Knapptibble that was on previous re-issues.

It's a digipak. It has a nice 16-page booklet with with lyrics in Swedish and photos of the band. The case says
Änglagård Records on it and the booklet has details of Änglagård Records (website and email address) and catalogue details of the full Änglagård discography. I've never seen the re-released version, but I guess this is identical to it but with just a few amendments to the packaging.

In total, it cost me £18.73 with all the taxes, charges and postage and packing. I've just had another look at the website and the shipping outside of the EU is only 10 SEK more (for one or two CDs) than to all EU destinations, so I think you'll be looking at 225 SEK, which is currently about US$27.50. But I'm sure it'll be picked up by prog distributors in the States anyway -- it depends how desperate you are to get your hands on it!

I got into Anekdoten and White Willow because of my love for
Änglagård. All three bands sound different, but there's definitely a "Scandinavian sound" in common to them. I guess some of the more pastoral sections sound reminiscent of bits of Genesis, just Scandinavian pastoral rather than distinctly English.

In addition to the two tracks up here, there's another track from Epilog, a demo of Ifrån Klarhet Till KlarhetVandringar i Vilsenhet (both from Hybris) here if you want more of an idea of what their music is like.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2009 at 15:43
Maybe this is a sign that I should give these guys another chance. I never understood what all the hype was about this album, but who knows? I could listen to this re-issue and totally change my thinking.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2009 at 16:18
Originally posted by Jorvik Jorvik wrote:

Right, my copy arrived today. When I ripped it, the CD was recognised by the FreeDB CD database as the remastered version and it has the bonus track Gånglåt från Knapptibble that was on previous re-issues.

It's a digipak. It has a nice 16-page booklet with with lyrics in Swedish and photos of the band. The case says
Änglagård Records on it and the booklet has details of Änglagård Records (website and email address) and catalogue details of the full Änglagård discography. I've never seen the re-released version, but I guess this is identical to it but with just a few amendments to the packaging.

In total, it cost me £18.73 with all the taxes, charges and postage and packing. I've just had another look at the website and the shipping outside of the EU is only 10 SEK more (for one or two CDs) than to all EU destinations, so I think you'll be looking at 225 SEK, which is currently about US$27.50. But I'm sure it'll be picked up by prog distributors in the States anyway -- it depends how desperate you are to get your hands on it!

 
Thanks for the report, Jorvik!  It sounds like the packaging is wonderful--perhaps it's finally been given the release it deserves!  Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2009 at 13:27
I've ordered my copy....really looking forward to hearing it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2009 at 13:42
For those of you in the USA who want to save on shipping, Greg Walker has it in stock.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2009 at 22:44
who is greg walker?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2009 at 22:53
Just ordered mine.  STOKED.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2009 at 22:55
Greg Walker is an excellent retailer of prog CDs with a fabulous selection, fast service, reasonable prices.  I wish I'd known about him long ago!  And he's a really nice guy, too.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2009 at 14:31
I ordered it sunday morning:it's on the way to my home!I'm also looking forward to buying Epilog.
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