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~Rael~
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Posted: February 23 2009 at 22:24 |
Negoba wrote:
There are 3 kinds of lyrics:
Lyrics that whose meaning is a driving force of the song, as in most folk / singer-songwriter
Lyrics that sound good but have little or no bearing on the song other than their sound. (Actually I would argue most of the music I listen to other than folk)
Lyrics that actually ruin the song.
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This is really perfect. Unfortunately, Aryeon goes into the third. I envy the people who can ignore the lyrics. But I just can't, especially when they are so easy to understand. And to some of the people who asserted that lyrics, when it comes down to it, mean nothing. . . I have to really disagree. Lyrics are poetry, even if the lot is bad poetry (whatever "bad" poetry is).
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I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress . . .
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fuxi
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Posted: February 24 2009 at 02:37 |
~Rael~ wrote:
Negoba wrote:
There are 3 kinds of lyrics:
Lyrics that whose meaning is a driving force of the song, as in most folk / singer-songwriter
Lyrics that sound good but have little or no bearing on the song other than their sound. (Actually I would argue most of the music I listen to other than folk)
Lyrics that actually ruin the song.
| This is really perfect. Unfortunately, Aryeon goes into the third. I envy the people who can ignore the lyrics. But I just can't, especially when they are so easy to understand. And to some of the people who asserted that lyrics, when it comes down to it, mean nothing. . . I have to really disagree. Lyrics are poetry, even if the lot is bad poetry (whatever "bad" poetry is).
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In a post about bad lyrics you write: "I repeat myslef when under stress". Is that a joke?
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fuxi
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Posted: February 24 2009 at 02:44 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Oh please, Arriving UFO and Circus of Heaven are pure cheese IMO.
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Before GFTO, when Yes's lyrics were usually incomprehensible, they could also be intriguing. But I just cannot stand hippy preaching. "There's no doubt, NO DOUBT!" "You've got to want to succeed!" etc. etc. It makes me want to scream "No future for you!!!"
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fuxi
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Posted: February 24 2009 at 02:48 |
OzzProg wrote:
A good example of this would be Aisles of Plenty by Genesis; the lyrics are meaningless, but just sound so damn cool in the song. |
Aisle of Plenty makes a lot of sense, especially when you realise much of it is made up of puns on the names of British supermarkets, like Tesco and Safeway! And rattling off the names and prices of store products is pure poetry.
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Blacksword
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Posted: February 24 2009 at 04:23 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Oh please, Arriving UFO and Circus of Heaven are pure cheese IMO.
Iván |
Even after all these years, I'm still asking myself, were Yes being tonge in cheek when they wrote 'Circus of Heaven' or had they become so divored from reality, through their stardom, and excusrions across topographic oceans, that they genuinely believed, they were penning something of merit?
If the latter, I am dissapointed.
Genesis also wrote some dire lyrics after Gabriel left. 'All in a mouses night' is laughable, and most of the 'And then there were three' album is awful, lyric wise.
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: February 24 2009 at 04:57 |
Bad Lyrics ? They're a real no-brainer. Check out these immortal lines from ELP's 'Love Beach' as penned by Pete Sinfield
"When I finally marched from Sandhurst, I'd learned to put my fellow man first"
"Yes it's great now you're a full-time nurse, but do be careful with the air-raids getting worse"
"If you made the first eleven, then you'd be sure to get to heaven"
"I want to hold you and enfold you beyond reason, climb on my rocket and we'll fly"
"Now I've got a different plan, for you and me beside the deep blue sea"
Is there worse out there in Progland ?
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Kotro
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Posted: February 24 2009 at 05:57 |
Bad lyrics in Prog? That's almost redundant to me.
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Bigger on the inside.
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Blacksword
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Posted: February 24 2009 at 07:00 |
ExittheLemming wrote:
Bad Lyrics ? They're a real no-brainer. Check out these immortal lines from ELP's 'Love Beach' as penned by Pete Sinfield"When I finally marched from Sandhurst, I'd learned to put my fellow man first""Yes it's great now you're a full-time nurse, but do be careful with the air-raids getting worse""If you made the first eleven, then you'd be sure to get to heaven""I want to hold you and enfold you beyond reason, climb on my rocket and we'll fly""Now I've got a different plan, for you and me beside the deep blue sea"Is there worse out there in Progland ?
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Holy sh!t..  That's bad.
Love Beach has never been on my 'to get' list, but after reading that, I think I will get it...
..and burn it, and jump up and down on it, and drive my car over it....
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Posted: February 24 2009 at 07:17 |
exitthelemming wrote:
Is there worse out there in Progland |
"Continents united
Against the common foe
The first and last occasion
But the fools would never know
Alpha and omega
The first-born and the last
The vast dome of Atlantis
Cracked and shuddered beneath the blast"
"all the world now join hands as one;
the first time since the world has begun"
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012
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Blacksword
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Posted: February 24 2009 at 07:25 |
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: February 24 2009 at 07:30 |
There are of course some unwittingly comedic Spinal Tap moments in the Sabbath catalogue: From the otherwise excellent 'War Pigs'
Generals gathered in their masses Just like witches at black masses
Bravo Ozzy, what rhymes with masses better than erm...masses ?
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fuxi
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Posted: February 24 2009 at 12:29 |
Blacksword wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Oh please, Arriving UFO and Circus of Heaven are pure cheese IMO.
Iván |
Even after all these years, I'm still asking myself, were Yes being tonge in cheek when they wrote 'Circus of Heaven' or had they become so divored from reality, through their stardom, and excusrions across topographic oceans, that they genuinely believed, they were penning something of merit?
If the latter, I am dissapointed.
Genesis also wrote some dire lyrics after Gabriel left. 'All in a mouses night' is laughable, and most of the 'And then there were three' album is awful, lyric wise. |
I totally agree about 'All in a mouses night'. And 'Eleventh Earl of Mar' is not much better. Such lyrics seriously devaluate WIND AND WUTHERING (stupid album title, by the way) which is a shame, as 'Blood on the Rooftops' is a real gem: in all respects (lyrics included) one of the best Genesis tracks ever.
But can we have a serious discussion about 'Circus of Heaven'? What is it exactly that irritates you so about this track?
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Erpland316
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Posted: February 24 2009 at 15:43 |
Silly lyrics can be used well such as Gong's Radio Gnome Trilogy. However, bands like Dream Theater (whom I don't like at all) have some of the cheesiest lyrics ever. Cheesy w**kfest music too! I have given them a chance too....heard every single album!
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TGM: Orb
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Posted: February 24 2009 at 15:46 |
OzzProg wrote:
Lyrics are absolutely meaningless to me. As long as the lyrics sound nice, and fit well with the music. Some lyrics don't mean anything at all if you analyze them carefully, but during the actual event of listening, they just seem to flow and create peace in your mind. I view the vocals as an instrument, and words are nothing more than a musical expression that can be played on this instrument.
A good example of this would be Aisles of Plenty by Genesis; the lyrics are meaningless, but just sound so damn cool in the song.
Really not meaningless. The whole idea is the commercialisation of England.
A example of lyrics that detract from the music would be Circus of Heaven by Yes, even though it would be a terrible song no matter what the lyrics were, they just seem to make it WORSE!
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JLocke
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Posted: February 24 2009 at 15:57 |
This is funny to me.
Most lyrics are bad without music accompanying them. Prog isn't the only genre of music that has had bad lyricists. What's the big deal about it? There ahve only been a hadful of truly good lyrics in rock muisc in my opinion, and more often than not, the music that accompanied it wasn't as good.
So if I would have to choose between bad lyrics and good music, or vice-versa . . . I'm choosing the former.
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Erpland316
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Posted: February 24 2009 at 16:11 |
Another band worth mentioning is Porcupine Tree. One has to admit their lyrics especially on FOABP are very cheesy. Mr. Wilson took the whole teenage angst/xbox loving thing way to far.
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J-Man
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Posted: February 24 2009 at 16:17 |
rpe9p wrote:
I really dislike a lot of Spock's Beard's lyrics and I find that they detract from the music. I am not a huge fan of their music anyway, but my friends who are say they love the lyrics, which I dont understand.
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Neal Morse era has great lyrics, but their new stuff doesn't.
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Trademark
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Posted: February 24 2009 at 16:17 |
^^ That was just a marketing ploy. Wilson moved PT to the Roadrunner label (the lonely teenage boy angst label) and he wrote an album that catered specifically to that market segment. Derek Shulman should be drawn and quartered for Roadrunner, but for him it's all about making money now, he left the music waaaaay behind.
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JLocke
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Posted: February 24 2009 at 16:19 |
Trademark wrote:
^^ That was just a marketing ploy. Wilson moved PT to the Roadrunner label (the lonely teenage boy angst label) and he wrote an album that catered specifically to that market segment. Derek Shulman should be drawn and quartered for Roadrunner, but for him it's all about making money now, he left the music waaaaay behind.
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No one seems to realize that FOABP is a concept record told through a teenager's point of view. The lyrics were written the way they were for a reason.
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J-Man
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Posted: February 24 2009 at 16:20 |
Flower Kings have awful lyrics, and (even though I love Yes), their lyrics tend to occasionally get bad.
Ex: - A song about how great Bob Marley is - Don't Kill The Whale - Anything else about Jon Anderson's hippy crap
It seems to me that their newer albums tend to have worse lyrics.
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