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The Pessimist 
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 Posted: February 02 2009 at 16:31 |
Opeth  No seriously though, it's between The Beatles, Procol Harem and KC.
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NotAProghead
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Posted: February 02 2009 at 16:55 |
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Unfortunately (for me), Genesis is the most influental band. I can't understand why so many singers in different countries are copying Peter Gabriel. Why? - I don't know. Looks like a lack of fantasy.
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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Jegheist2009
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Posted: February 02 2009 at 18:31 |
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well u have citizen cain,then you have the watch.then you have musical box.argos and lot of others im missing.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: February 02 2009 at 18:39 |
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^you got to be kidding me. Isn't The Watch and Musical Box cover bands?
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JLocke
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Posted: February 02 2009 at 18:42 |
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Never listened to The Watch. Been meaning to, though. Why, are they supposed to suck, or something?
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The Quiet One
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Posted: February 02 2009 at 18:49 |
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^no man!...well I can't tell really, I haven't heard them. My post was that the OP stated as bands with vocalist similar to Gabriel, and he stated COVER bands! That's quite obvious and absurd, I'm afraid...
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tszirmay
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Posted: February 02 2009 at 18:51 |
"You must be joking, take a running jump"  1972-1973 here heady times , yes Genesis was a huge influence but so was Floyd, Crimson, ELP, Gentle Giant, Tull and Yes, among many others (Santana, Weather Report, Roxy Music, T Dream etc....) . The theater mixed with the surreal certainly helped define prog , I know I wrote an essay (in French) on it in 1974!
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I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
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hawkcwg
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Posted: February 02 2009 at 18:56 |
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I'd go with King Crimson. Those guys influenced more people in my opinion in the prog community.
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JLocke
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Posted: February 02 2009 at 18:57 |
Well then of course you have some bands who just happen to have a vocalist that sounds like Gabriel, and I don't even think it's intentional.
The prime example of this would be Marillion, I think. Clearly Gabriel influenced Fish's stage presence alot, but I honestly doubt that he wa trying to copy Gabriel. It's just one of those weird coincidances. Also, I've always felt that Marillion gets an unfair bad rap due to Fish's voice, as I've never felt anything else about them resembles Genesis in the slightest. There is much more Floyd in them than Genesis.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: February 02 2009 at 19:08 |
Hard to say, surely is one of the most influential, most Neo Prog received Genesis influence, but Yes, Pink Floyd and King Crimson are there in the level, I believe ELP is a bit lower with Jethro Tull.
But there's no way to prove this affirmations, it's just an educated guess.
Iván
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JLocke
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Posted: February 02 2009 at 19:15 |
Ironically, a handful of punk artists came out many years after their own heyday and admitted that certain prog bands were influential to them. Of course they never would have admitted it at the time, since Punk's success was based heavily upon bashing Prog. I think it was Jethro Tull that influenced Sex Pistols a bit.
I could be wrong . . .
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valravennz
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Posted: February 02 2009 at 19:19 |
 Atavachron wrote:
Shaun Guerin (k2, Clearlight, etc.) has a very Gabrielesque tone and delivery ..as for who had more impact, I hear a Genesis influence more often in prog than Yes, though frankly I hear ELP most often
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I agree with this statement particularly the part that I have highlighted. ELP has had a major influence in prog rock, particularly in Italian Symphonic Prog. I hear ELP, King Crimson and Genesis influences mainly in a large number of early seventies prog rock bands. Yes has had some influence but imo not to the same extent as the others.
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"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence"
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JLocke
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Posted: February 02 2009 at 19:35 |
The Pessimist wrote:
Opeth
No seriously though, it's between The Beatles, Procol Harem and KC.
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Everytime I see Crimson's name spelled as 'KC', I feel the urge to stick an 'F' in between.
Edited by p0mt3 - February 02 2009 at 19:36
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King Crimson776
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Posted: February 02 2009 at 20:33 |
p0mt3 wrote:
Well then of course you have some bands who just happen to have a vocalist that sounds like Gabriel, and I don't even think it's intentional.
The prime example of this would be Marillion, I think. Clearly Gabriel influenced Fish's stage presence alot, but I honestly doubt that he wa trying to copy Gabriel. It's just one of those weird coincidances. Also, I've always felt that Marillion gets an unfair bad rap due to Fish's voice, as I've never felt anything else about them resembles Genesis in the slightest. There is much more Floyd in them than Genesis. |
I agree about Marillion, Floyd and Genesis are the main influences but there is more Floyd.
As for most influential prog band, KC. They pretty much set up for Symphonic, Avant, and Prog Metal all in their first album.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: February 02 2009 at 20:37 |
I'd comfortably say Dream Theater was more influential........ 
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topofsm
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Posted: February 02 2009 at 22:45 |
Hmm, this is how I'd say it is:
King Crimson was the first prog band.
Yes is the band most representative of prog.
Pink Floyd is the most popular and most influental prog band (probably not as influential in the realm of prog, but they've certainly influenced more bands in general than any prog band).
Genesis is the prog that most prog is based on (c'mon, any neo or retro prog band is basically Genesis with electronic synthesizers instead of mellotron).
Can't really say much about any other bands.
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horsewithteeth11
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Posted: February 02 2009 at 22:58 |
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I'd have to say either King Crimson or Pink Floyd, simply because those two influenced so many different bands, and not just prog bands. Heck, Kurt Cobain once stated that King Crimson was a huge musical influence on him and inspired him to create really dark music.
In the end though, I'd say King Crimson.
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topofsm
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Posted: February 02 2009 at 23:17 |
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^Really? I find it very hard to find many musicians who have even heard of KC, much less write music inspired by them. Barely anyone has heard of them. Though maybe I'm just in a bad location. The Nirvana thing takes me by surprise.
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neo eric
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Posted: February 03 2009 at 02:59 |
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As said, very tricky question. I go for Genesis though, not just considering Gabriel. One must remember the great influence of Hackett and especially Collins (and Banks and Rutherford especially for neo-proggers).
I think very few try to clone someone, a band or a person. That´s a very trivial discussion, imho. I myself have played guitar and bass in some bands, and though I admire Genesis, Yes and Marillion, for example, I would´t even consider to try to clone it, at least not consciously.
The Watch - Wonderland (listen to it on progarchives - I dont know if anyone have mentioned already, but anyways)
the vocalist is very Gabriel-alike.
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el dingo
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Posted: February 03 2009 at 03:28 |
p0mt3 wrote:
The Pessimist wrote:
Opeth
No seriously though, it's between The Beatles, Procol Harem and KC.
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Everytime I see Crimson's name spelled as 'KC', I feel the urge to stick an 'F' in between. |
That's weird, I feel the urge to stick & The Sunshine Band after. 
Edited by el dingo - February 03 2009 at 03:30
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Genesis the most influential prog band?
