Israel/Gaza: Calling all UK forum members.

The T wrote: Destroy the terrorists.   That's all I ask.   I don't sign anything. This time, I side with Israel.  As unbelievable as that sounds to me, I side with the "use force" side.     And then the world will ignite in flames. I know that. Chaos breeds more chaos.

Destroy the terrorists: Couldn't agree more.

Trouble is, Israel appears to be staging a massacre, under the pretense that they are surgically targetting Hamas militants. In this very short war, so far, over 900 Palestinian civillians have been killed. Although Hamas very bravely fire their rockets from civillian areas, some of the Israeli air strikes have been on populated areas, where, according to UN officials on the ground, there has been no evidence at all of Hamas activity.

PM Olmert claims that Israel is near to achieving it's goals, in dismantling the Hamas military machine, but Israel always make one fundamental mistake. They think that support for Hamas will die out because of a conflict like this, but history has shown that support for the terrorists is actually bolstered when the IDF go in hard. That's what led to Hamas being democratically elected in the first place.

Atavachron wrote: Henry Plainview wrote: I haven't seen this picked up by the major networks, and I'm not sure why, but if it's true, I challenge anyone outside of Israel to defend it: The two Arab parties, which represent 20% of the electorate, have been banned from the next Parliamentary election. but do you challenge anyone inside of Israel to defend it.. then you might get some reality

Henry Plainview wrote: Atavachron wrote: Henry Plainview wrote: I haven't seen this picked up by the major networks, and I'm not sure why, but if it's true, I challenge anyone outside of Israel to defend it: The two Arab parties, which represent 20% of the electorate, have been banned from the next Parliamentary election. but do you challenge anyone inside of Israel to defend it.. then you might get some reality I do, but there's no point because their perception is more likely to biased.   I can't imagine something that could warrant banning a party. These are mainstream parties, they're not funding terrorists.

Goes to show, Israel is not really a democracy, and it's ruling party, and mainstream opposition are indeed, racist.

I`m in enough hot water right now but I was waiting for this. I guess i qualify for this petition. I`ve got dual UK /Canadian citizenship. But I think I`ll sit this one out. I`m a former military man and I just wish we could have peace on this bloody earth. Is that too much to ask?

Anything won't happen and the reason is that no matter how hard you try. It's the US decision to stop this war they have special rights in the UN security council but they restrained to vote. Siding once more with Israel. It's like saying : " Hey we can lend you some extra F-16 pal"

Edited by crimson87 - January 13 2009 at 18:42

Quite in agreeance here I am with Stonebeard's last phrase.

stonebeard wrote: I want Israel as a state to exist. I don't really care where it is, but I think that group should have a homeland. Their main actions seem to be justified here. Hamas, it seems, is not compatible with the existence of Israel, so it has to go. They are cowards and less than human, hiding behind civilians to try and urge Israel into killing a few civilians so they can parade them in front of Western eyes. However, though I do not know the details, using white phosphorous bombs seems to be a no-no in the civilized world, and it also seems Israel doesn't care. I'm also quite pissed the American government bends over backwards for Israel in all circumstances, no questions asked. It's a mess of a situation. I am getting quite fed up with the middle east. If this Holy Land is causing all this trouble and doesn't seem to get better, then I'm tempted to say bomb it all to hell or just let the nutters kill themselves over it. Just don't bother me with your fanaticism.

This is a great summary of my opinion.

I'm REALLY becoming irritated with all this bullsh*t.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: I agree 100% with the bolded part. At least the Israelis don't denounce everyone around the world who isn't Jewish.

Yeah, except for that bit about not allowing Arabs to hold office.

1800iareyay wrote: birdwithteeth11 wrote: I agree 100% with the bolded part. At least the Israelis don't denounce everyone around the world who isn't Jewish. Yeah, except for that bit about not allowing Arabs to hold office.

I get what you mean, but what part of "put yourself in their shoes" is so hard to understand? To us outsiders, it certainly doesn't seem fair, but quite honestly I'm not surprised that Israel has always treated the Palestinians like crap. From what I've learned, they (the Palestinians) are like that kid who's a social reject and sits by himself every day on the playground during recess until he snaps and starts going nuts. It used to be that large numbers of Palestinians would flock to other Middle Eastern countries, but Egypt, one of the countries heavily involved in the current peace discussions, has closed their borders to Palestine. They don't want these people and no other country does because they just cause trouble wherever they go, at least they did last time I checked a history book.

Anyway, to respond to what you said, try to imagine the situation from the perspective of the Israelis. I can fully understand why they wouldn't allow Arabs to hold office in Israel. How many native Arabs can you think of that like having Israel around?