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Points: 24439 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2009 at 11:34
I am sorry to disappoint all of you PR fans, but the band were rejected by the Heavy Prog team in November, and the team members thought they were not even suitable for Prog-Related. 
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Thumbs Down I can't believe this...... Well..... 
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Points: 24439 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2009 at 13:54
I hope you realise, Pablo, that adding them because they are a good hard rock/blues band would mean to add just about another thousand bands of the same kind. The HP has evaluated a lot of similar material, and many of those bands have gone the same way. In the Seventies, most acts had some relation to prog in their sound - but this doesn't mean we can add them all on the strength of just 'some' relation. And Prog-Related is NOT (ask the Admins if you don't believe me) a dumping ground for rejected acts, nor was it ever meant to be so.
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Points: 3577 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2009 at 13:56
Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

Thumbs Down I can't believe this...... Well..... 
 
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Points: 15745 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2009 at 14:38
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

I hope you realise, Pablo, that adding them because they are a good hard rock/blues band would mean to add just about another thousand bands of the same kind. The HP has evaluated a lot of similar material, and many of those bands have gone the same way. In the Seventies, most acts had some relation to prog in their sound - but this doesn't mean we can add them all on the strength of just 'some' relation. And Prog-Related is NOT (ask the Admins if you don't believe me) a dumping ground for rejected acts, nor was it ever meant to be so.


Can't I express my opinion of dissapointment? I didn't say you(reffering to the team) didn't evaluate them bad, just wanted to express(once again) my dissapointment. If the team thinks they're Blues/Hard Rock, fine for me, for me they also are, but with a relation to Prog as to be in Prog-Related, but I won't insist.

"And Prog-Related is NOT (ask the Admins if you don't believe me) a dumping ground for rejected acts, nor was it ever meant to be so." Why wouldn't I believe you? Do we have a bad relation in PA? On the contrary Raff. I respect you, and I think you're a very wise woman, specially in the Heavy grounds of music, you also know the site way much better than me, so I don't think I could ever not believe you on something like that.


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I just stumbled upon this thread, interesting because a few years ago I received (while working for Progwalhalla) a bunch of progrock CD's from Argentina, including the 3 Pescado Rabioso CD's. In my opinion the first and third are bluesrock based (with hints from Wishbone Ash) but on the second album (simply entitled Pescado 2) a keyboardplayer was added (mainly on Hammond organ), due to his powerful contributions Pescado Rabio their sound is very similar to Jane, a bluesrock band with progressive tendencies, also on Prog Archives: yes, indeed, the infamous "band X, now Band Y theory" but PA their confusing band addition policy welcomes to use that theory Wink !

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Look, like it or not this site has a process of evaluating bands, people took the trouble to carefully assess this artist and made a decision.  Not every decision made about an artist is going to please everyone - that doesn't mean that this site has a "confusing" policy, on the contrary it is quite straightforward.
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Points: 3577 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2009 at 15:07
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

I just stumbled upon this thread, interesting because a few years ago I received (while working for Progwalhalla) a bunch of progrock CD's from Argentina, including the 3 Pescado Rabioso CD's. In my opinion the first and third are bluesrock based (with hints from Wishbone Ash) but on the second album (simply entitled Pescado 2) a keyboardplayer was added (mainly on Hammond organ), due to his powerful contributions Pescado Rabio their sound is very similar to Jane, a bluesrock band with progressive tendencies, also on Prog Archives: yes, indeed, the infamous "band X, now Band Y theory" but PA their confusing band addition policy welcomes to use that theory Wink !
 
I second the opinion of Erick, the extremely subjetive points of view of the teams can be very confusing sometimes or in other terms can be very arbitrary.




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Points: 3577 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2009 at 15:12
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Look, like it or not this site has a process of evaluating bands, people took the trouble to carefully assess this artist and made a decision.  Not every decision made about an artist is going to please everyone - that doesn't mean that this site has a "confusing" policy, on the contrary it is quite straightforward.
 
The point that i see is that the process of evaluation is not quite clear, as far as i know nobody uses a metodology to evaluate an addition of a band, nobody cares to inform the results to the members unless we have to ask, i think that maybe PA need a Oficial Speaker or something like that, to communicate the results of the evaluation and rejection/addition of a band.
 
Extremely subjetive the decisions i insist.  


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Points: 24439 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2009 at 15:19
Originally posted by Alberto Muñoz Alberto Muñoz wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Look, like it or not this site has a process of evaluating bands, people took the trouble to carefully assess this artist and made a decision.  Not every decision made about an artist is going to please everyone - that doesn't mean that this site has a "confusing" policy, on the contrary it is quite straightforward.
 
The point that i see is that the process of evaluation is not quite clear, as far as i know nobody uses a metodology to evaluate an addition of a band, nobody cares to inform the results to the members unless we have to ask, i think that maybe PA need a Oficial Speaker or something like that, to communicate the results of the evaluation and rejection/addition of a band.
 
Extremely subjetive the decisions i insist.  


Please, could yuu be so kind as to suggest such a methodology? I would be grateful if for once people didn't just limit themselves to criticising, but made constructive proposals - and CONCRETE ones.

As to having an 'Official Speaker', I took the time to inquire from my teammates as soon as I saw this thread bumped. I've just replaced David as the head of the HP team, but in spite of that I acted quickly out of courtesy for the thread starter. I think you should appreciate it, instead of attacking us for 'lack of methodology'.


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Points: 31169 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2009 at 15:20
Originally posted by Alberto Muñoz Alberto Muñoz wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Look, like it or not this site has a process of evaluating bands, people took the trouble to carefully assess this artist and made a decision.  Not every decision made about an artist is going to please everyone - that doesn't mean that this site has a "confusing" policy, on the contrary it is quite straightforward.
 
The point that i see is that the process of evaluation is not quite clear, as far as i know nobody uses a metodology to evaluate an addition of a band, nobody cares to inform the results to the members unless we have to ask, i think that maybe PA need a Oficial Speaker or something like that, to communicate the results of the evaluation and rejection/addition of a band.
 
Extremely subjetive the decisions i insist.  


Well, the one thing I will grant you (and apologize for), is that we have a team of Site Monitors (you can see I am one of them) that is supposed to keep tabs on suggestions and post updates in the original thread.  Sometimes suggestions can slip through the cracks and an update is not provided, but please know that the site recognizes that the results do need to be announced, and we care very much to keep everyone as informed as possible.
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Points: 20706 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2009 at 15:26
Ok.... firstly I was to apologise to Raff for putting her in the position of writing in this thread, when back in November, she didn't actually take the decision regarding PR, so please don't fire your bullets at her...Stern Smile
 
The decision over PR was NOT taken lightly, and they were discussed by the then 3 members of the HP genre team at length, before being rejected in a straight 3-0 vote.  The principle reason was that while we all enjoyed the music, we really felt it had too much of an experimental blues feel to it, and was neither guitar oriented enough for HP or progressive enough for PA, for us to pursue further, by recommending to another genre team.
 
While we appreciate and applaud your enthusiasm for the development of PA through band submissions, I would ask you to be a little more respectful toward those who have to make these decisions.  They are often not easy, but we attempt to do our best for the site.
 
Thank you.
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Points: 7659 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2009 at 15:27
Thanks for your support Alberto Thumbs Up, let me say this to you: after 5 years on Prog Archives I am very disappointed about the musical direction towards Classic Rock Archives and the confusing/inconsequent band addition policy, this thread is just another example. Last year I have decided to stop suggesting bands, I have stopped to write reviews on the homepage but I have sublimated all my frustrations into a new (pretty well viewed and visited) thread entitled My Old & New Progressive Bands Thread where I can write, along the usual genuine progrock, about The Tubes, The Stranglers and Angel, lovely, that's my very constructive answer LOL !
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Points: 15745 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2009 at 15:29
^thanks for letting us know how the procedure went. 
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Points: 24439 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2009 at 15:32
Pablo, have you ever heard the saying, "don't shoot the messenger"?Wink In this case, I was only the messenger, and wanted to do my duty of informing you about the team's decision. I trust next time things will go much more smoothly.
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Points: 3577 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2009 at 18:26
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Originally posted by Alberto Muñoz Alberto Muñoz wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Look, like it or not this site has a process of evaluating bands, people took the trouble to carefully assess this artist and made a decision.  Not every decision made about an artist is going to please everyone - that doesn't mean that this site has a "confusing" policy, on the contrary it is quite straightforward.
 
The point that i see is that the process of evaluation is not quite clear, as far as i know nobody uses a metodology to evaluate an addition of a band, nobody cares to inform the results to the members unless we have to ask, i think that maybe PA need a Oficial Speaker or something like that, to communicate the results of the evaluation and rejection/addition of a band.
 
Extremely subjetive the decisions i insist.  


Please, could yuu be so kind as to suggest such a methodology? I would be grateful if for once people didn't just limit themselves to criticising, but made constructive proposals - and CONCRETE ones.
 
Raff, please, i will not going to start a flame war of nothing , recently i try to do a CONCRETE proposal and the reaction was pure complaining, specially you. Here´s the link to refresh memory
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52925

As to having an 'Official Speaker', I took the time to inquire from my teammates as soon as I saw this thread bumped.
 
Thanks for doing that.
 
I've just replaced David as the head of the HP team, but in spite of that I acted quickly out of courtesy for the thread starter. I think you should appreciate it, instead of attacking us for 'lack of methodology'.
 
I appreciate, but i have the right to critic the decisión, and if you see this critic or any critic like an attack of   the team you lead, then maybe i step with Toby's club.

With all due respect.




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Points: 3577 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2009 at 18:33
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Thanks for your support Alberto Thumbs Up, let me say this to you: after 5 years on Prog Archives I am very disappointed about the musical direction towards Classic Rock Archives and the confusing/inconsequent band addition policy, this thread is just another example. Last year I have decided to stop suggesting bands, I have stopped to write reviews on the homepage but I have sublimated all my frustrations into a new (pretty well viewed and visited) thread entitled My Old & New Progressive Bands Thread where I can write, along the usual genuine progrock, about The Tubes, The Stranglers and Angel, lovely, that's my very constructive answer LOL !
 
Your welcome Eric!Big smile




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Points: 3577 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2009 at 18:50
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by Alberto Muñoz Alberto Muñoz wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Look, like it or not this site has a process of evaluating bands, people took the trouble to carefully assess this artist and made a decision.  Not every decision made about an artist is going to please everyone - that doesn't mean that this site has a "confusing" policy, on the contrary it is quite straightforward.
 
The point that i see is that the process of evaluation is not quite clear, as far as i know nobody uses a metodology to evaluate an addition of a band, nobody cares to inform the results to the members unless we have to ask, i think that maybe PA need a Oficial Speaker or something like that, to communicate the results of the evaluation and rejection/addition of a band.
 
Extremely subjetive the decisions i insist.  


Well, the one thing I will grant you (and apologize for), is that we have a team of Site Monitors (you can see I am one of them) that is supposed to keep tabs on suggestions and post updates in the original thread.  Sometimes suggestions can slip through the cracks and an update is not provided, but please know that the site recognizes that the results do need to be announced, and we care very much to keep everyone as informed as possible.
 
Do not Worry about that Natural, you always be polite and friendly and i'm grateful for that.ClapClapClap




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Points: 11985 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2009 at 18:52
The Stranglers, The Tubes and Angel. What a fine trio of Prog Rock bands whose addition would make any self-respecting Prog Rock site complete.

Hurrah for opinions!!

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