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1800iareyay
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Posted: June 24 2008 at 17:14 |
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
1800iareyay wrote:
The US. I don't normally go for cutting out tunes in favor of singles that are readily available on any greatest hits set (I VASTLY prefer the UK versions of The Clash and The Stones' Aftermath). But didn't the remasters put all the tracks that weren't available on each version? So the US got the cut tracks and the UK got the hit singles for convenience?
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Actually, the UK version came out first. 'Twas the US version that received the hit singles.
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Isn't that what I said? I said AYE? is the only time I prefer the hatchet job version to the actual debut.
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: June 24 2008 at 17:16 |
So the US got the cut tracks and the UK got the hit singles for convenience?
This last sentence threw me off. You're referring to the remastered edition here, I see. Now it makes sense.
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Starless
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Posted: June 25 2008 at 06:59 |
There seems to be an old debate rearing its ugly mush about pre & post 1989 (why 1989?) music twixt Pnoom and Walter. I have to say i'm with Walter on this one. By '89 almost everything had already been done, and anything new, particularly in prog, was nearly all a rehash of old ideas. There must be some exceptions, but I can't think of any offhand. If all post '89 music disappeared tomorrow, I would probably lose a third of my collection, but 75% of the real classics would still be there!
I thought I'd do a little research. Here in the UK respected broadsheet The Guardian published a list of, as they called it, "50 albums that changed the world"
Now, I don't know how the list was arrived at and I don't agree with all the choices, and there are some glaring omissions, and of course it has a UK bias. However of the 50 listed, only 11 are 1989 or later.
QED! 
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1800iareyay
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Posted: June 25 2008 at 10:09 |
Starless wrote:
There seems to be an old debate rearing its ugly mush about pre & post 1989 (why 1989?) music twixt Pnoom and Walter. I have to say i'm with Walter on this one. By '89 almost everything had already been done, and anything new, particularly in prog, was nearly all a rehash of old ideas. There must be some exceptions, but I can't think of any offhand. If all post '89 music disappeared tomorrow, I would probably lose a third of my collection, but 75% of the real classics would still be there!
I thought I'd do a little research. Here in the UK respected broadsheet The Guardian published a list of, as they called it, "50 albums that changed the world"
Now, I don't know how the list was arrived at and I don't agree with all the choices, and there are some glaring omissions, and of course it has a UK bias. However of the 50 listed, only 11 are 1989 or later.
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But of course only a few would be from the last 17 years (at the time of that poll). Frankly I'm surprised that 11 made it on. Music stopped being really innovative around the late 60s/early 70s because everything was explored. Now, that doesn't mean that newer bands don't sound fresh (the punk explosion, hip-hop, grunge, thrash metal), but an album that changes the world must be culture shifting in some way, which is less likely to happen when the Velvet Underground took rock to its furthest reaches (as well as SOME prog, but let's face it: the vast majority found a sound and stuck with it until they went pop).
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BroSpence
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Posted: June 25 2008 at 14:59 |
Logan wrote:
And Elmer Gantry's Velvet Opera - s/tParson Sound - s/t (okay, the only album by Parson Sound but a terrific album)H.P. Lovecraft -s/tThe Incredible String Band - The 5000 Spirits or the Layers of the OnionNiemen Czeslaw - Dziwny Jest...Leonard Cohen - Songs of Leonard Cohen
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That Cohen came out in '68, and the ISB album is not their debut.
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Logan
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Posted: June 27 2008 at 00:25 |
BroSpence wrote:
Logan wrote:
And Elmer Gantry's Velvet Opera - s/tParson Sound - s/t (okay, the only album by Parson Sound but a terrific album)H.P. Lovecraft -s/tThe Incredible String Band - The 5000 Spirits or the Layers of the OnionNiemen Czeslaw - Dziwny Jest...Leonard Cohen - Songs of Leonard Cohen
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That Cohen came out in '68, and the ISB album is not their debut. |
"Twas silly of me to forget ISB's eponymous debut, but are you sure
about Cohen's album? I've read that it was originally released by
Columbia around Christmas of '67.
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BroSpence
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Posted: June 27 2008 at 18:47 |
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jammun
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Posted: June 27 2008 at 18:57 |
How about:
Sgt. Peppers
Disraeli Gears
Forever Changes
and there had to be a Who album released that year (A Quick One or Who Sell Out?)
Probably was a decent year for Zappa as well.
But realistically we could pick pretty much any year from '66 to '73 or so and they are all chock-full of great, timeless releases.
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jammun
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Posted: June 27 2008 at 18:59 |
^^ sorry, missed that key 'debut' word, doh!
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crimson87
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Posted: July 13 2008 at 00:35 |
1800iareyay wrote:
[QUOTE=Starless]There seems to be an old debate rearing its ugly mush about pre & post 1989 (why 1989?) music twixt Pnoom and Walter. I have to say i'm with Walter on this one. By '89 almost everything had already been done, and anything new, particularly in prog, was nearly all a rehash of old ideas. There must be some exceptions, but I can't think of any offhand. If all post '89 music disappeared tomorrow, I would probably lose a third of my collection, but 75% of the real classics would still be there!
I thought I'd do a little research. Here in the UK respected broadsheet The Guardian published a list of, as they called it, "50 albums that changed the world"
Now, I don't know how the list was arrived at and I don't agree with all the choices, and there are some glaring omissions, and of course it has a UK bias. However of the 50 listed, only 11 are 1989 or later.
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I mean , why did they put in The Dark side... "Without this: much less prog rock (if only...)"
The list lack of credibility showed out when they put on The Ramones debut , "without this: NO FUN".Thats hilarious!!!!
I have plenty of fun with pre 1976 releases.
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