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The T 
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 Posted: May 02 2008 at 15:20 |
 Avantgardehead wrote:
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I still don't get this anti-grunge thing... |
Maybe people don't like it? That's kind of a reason why people would post negative things about it.
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Well I know it's because they don't like it.. I'm not that  ... What I don't get is what they see that is so awful... there are so many other genres that don't get that hate from non-grunge fans... Understand me: I know people don't l;ike it and that's fine.. I just don't understand why that is so widespread among proggster and metallers... (maybe metallers I understand more)...
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the_binkster
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 15:20 |
"Nevermind" was influential but certainly not as influential as many give it credit for: the Seattle grunge scene had evolved much before Nirvana brought them to the world's attention (IMO Nirvana are the weak link in the "Big 4" with Soundgarden, Alice In Chains and Pearl Jam). Soundgarden's "Badmotorfinger" and "Ten" were both vastly superior offerings musically. Nirvana inspired many musicians and brought their superiors into the spotlight. "Ten" is the epitome of grunge music, but 90s Electronica was defined by "Screamadelica" and it is now the yardstick to which such albums are compared. It brought a very much underground scene into the mainstream and I would label it as a masterpeice (so that is the one I have voted for).
But there are two albums missing from that list which regardless of your musical leanings most would agree were "good":
Metallica - Metallica: changed metal completely; it was a massive mainstream success and influenced many of the 90s biggest metal bands and on top of that it is populated by some incredible songs.
Achtung Baby - U2: a departure from U2's 'normal' style and summed up the musical world of 1991 completely embracing the alternative rock leanings of My Bloody Valentine and the grunge scene and the electronica "revolution". U2's only true masterpeice.
*cowers*
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The T
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 15:25 |
the_binkster wrote:
Metallica - Metallica: changed metal completely; it was a massive mainstream success and influenced many of the 90s biggest metal bands and on top of that it is populated by some incredible songs.
Achtung Baby - U2: a departure from U2's 'normal' style and summed up the musical world of 1991 completely embracing the alternative rock leanings of My Bloody Valentine and the grunge scene and the electronica "revolution". U2's only true masterpeice.
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Don't cower man.. you have just reminded me of those important albums.... Both very good... Both essential in the development of pop-rock and metal music in the 90's
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 15:27 |
Badmotofinger was amazing, and Soundgarden is by far my favorite band of the genre.
as far as Nirvana goes, I could really take or leave "Nevermind". Maybe it's because it was such a large part of my youth, these days it sounds like a played out pop record.
"In Utero", on the other hand.... quite excellent (though not 1991).
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 15:27 |
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Easily Talk Talk. Haven't heard some options and I actually sort of like 2 but find them vastly overrated (Loveless and Spiderland). And Pearl Jam is horrendous in my opinion.
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 15:34 |
Nevermind's a cracking album.
I don't like any that are in the list though - Primal Scream are bearable...
The Orb's "Adventures Beyond Ultraworld", "Aubrey Mixes" and "Peel Sessions" are THE albums of 1991 for me, closely followed by The Prodigy "Experience" and XL Recordings - the Second Chapter.
There's also Metallica's self-titled or "Black" album, which I happen to like, The Almighty's "Soul Destruction", and Slayer's "Decade of Aggression" - but the early 1990s were mainly about Rave music to me.
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stonebeard
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 16:21 |
Gotta love 10, it's also the only one I've heard so that's unfair.  And Achtung Baby! is U2's best album and one of the best records of all time. Don't fear snobbo progheads giving you sh*t about liking it. 
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Pnoom!
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 16:43 |
The T wrote:
Say all you want people, even if you hate it, Nirvana's Nevermind, released in that year, was so much more influential that many of those albums... Yes, TEN was grunge at its best.. but it was Nevermind which broke the genre into the mainstream....
Anyway, from the list, TEN. A great album. I still don't get this anti-grunge thing... |
I almost put Nevermind on the list just to spite many of the members here who find it crap, but I've only heard it once, so it hasn't had time to grow on me. That said, it is definitely one more reason why 1991 is such a great year for music. (hey, the T and I agree on something, maybe now he'll like Kayo Dot) 
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 16:44 |
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
The T wrote:
I still don't get this anti-grunge thing... |
Thanks to grunge, I don't listen to any post-1989 bands. Those bands destroyed the musical landscape for me. I will never be able to stomach any of that music.
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I feel very sorry for you, though I doubt you want my sympathy.
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Pnoom!
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 16:46 |
the_binkster wrote:
But there are two albums missing from that list which regardless of your musical leanings most would agree were "good": |
Ah, but despite that all the albums on this list are historically important and objectively "great," this is still a list of my personal preferences. Otherwise, Nevermind, the Soundgarden album (forget it's name), the Metallica album, and many others would've made it.
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 17:47 |
Atheist - Unquestionable Presence gets my vote.
Although generally I'm not a grunge fan, I honestly could never understand why Nirvana got all the fame when clearly bands like Soundgarden and Alice In Chains wrote far better songs (IMO) and unlike Kurt Cobain, Jerry Cantrell didn't play like a horrible sloppy mess when he played guitar. Ten will get second place for me, as it has some well written songs, and was far and away 10000x times better than anything Nirvana did.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 17:52 |
1991 was a great year.
In 1991 Par Lindh formed the Swedish Art Rock Society, that lead to Symphonic renaissance, with such excellent groups as Par Lindh Project, Anglagard, Flower Kings, etc.
It was a year of expectation.
Iván
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keiser willhelm
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 19:27 |
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Massive Attack's blue lines gets my vote. great CD, spawned an amazing career and countless imitators.
I happen to like grunge (apart from nirvana) Alice in Chains remains one of my favorite bands while Soundgarden and Pearl Jam still get some plays every once in a while. Good year, not great.
havnt heard talk talk or slint though...
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 19:33 |
Holy Crap I havent realised how good this year was until seeing this list.
I went with laughing stock, but Spiderland, Ten, and Loveless are all incredible!
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The T
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 23:11 |
Pnoom! wrote:
The T wrote:
Say all you want people, even if you hate it, Nirvana's Nevermind, released in that year, was so much more influential that many of those albums... Yes, TEN was grunge at its best.. but it was Nevermind which broke the genre into the mainstream....
Anyway, from the list, TEN. A great album. I still don't get this anti-grunge thing... |
I almost put Nevermind on the list just to spite many of the members here who find it crap, but I've only heard it once, so it hasn't had time to grow on me.
That said, it is definitely one more reason why 1991 is such a great year for music.
(hey, the T and I agree on something, maybe now he'll like Kayo Dot)
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Less than a month away to see if that miracle happens... all we need is at least the same thing as before MINUS the 14 minutes of repetition..  
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Pnoom!
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 23:16 |
Blue Lambency Downward isn't remotely repetitive, really. Also, reading your reviews of the individual tracks on Blue Lambency Downward, you really think it's a two star album. A one star album doesn't have over half it's tracks be decent or better.
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 23:21 |
The T wrote:
Less than a month away to see if that miracle happens... all we need is at least the same thing as before MINUS the 14 minutes of repetition.. |
You'll never get the same thing with Kayo Dot. But if you like jazz, I'm sure you'll like this one.  And after hearing Laughing Stock, it's my pick.
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Pnoom!
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 23:26 |
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And after hearing Laughing Stock, it's my pick. |
You are a good person. Isn't it sublime? Also, Teo, if you haven't heard Choirs of the Eye by Kayo Dot, it's almost universally accepted as their best, and it has none of the repetition you disliked in Dowsing.
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The T
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Posted: May 03 2008 at 00:17 |
That's why I will give The Dot a second try... after all, the whole world can't be always wrong.... 
And you're right... my Dowsing review really should be a 2 if I averaged my song ratings... ... It's On_limpid form that really kills me and makes me hate the whole damn thing... |
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Pnoom!
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Posted: May 03 2008 at 00:21 |
The T wrote:
That's why I will give The Dot a second try... after all, the whole world can't be always wrong....
And you're right... my Dowsing review really should be a 2 if I averaged my song ratings... ... It's On_limpid form that really kills me and makes me hate the whole damn thing... |
So give it the two. You know you want to be fair I still think your second try with Kayo needs to be Choirs of the Eye.
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