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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2005 at 16:34
Jeff Berlin could belt out a song and play extraordinary bass lines at the same time. He jammed with Rush once in the studio with Geddy on keys. Would have loved to hear that one. Tony Levin has to be one of my favourites. His playing always makes a difference. He was never just along for the ride. Alain Caron in my opinion rivals the playing of Jaco. Many of his compositions are dedicated to Jaco. I liked the raw bass playing of Wetton  during his KC years. He loved to crank it up. I love the riff  in Lark`s Tongues In Aspic Pt. II. Who doesn`t take out the air bass for that one? Da na da na da na da na DVVVV DVVVV DVVVV DVVVVV DVVVV DVVVVV DVVV DVVVV DVVVV da na da na da na da na...........
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2005 at 16:38
Lark's Tongues! . Does Starless have a monster bass bit as well? sort of "DUM, DUM, da DUM DUM DUM. You must know that one..! ) I can't quite remember if I'm thinking of the right song (and if I am, it's not a very difficult part, but it really sounds great). In fact Starless is one of my favourite songs ever, although it's more due to the guitar/violin/synth than the bass part.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2005 at 16:55

And what about Patrick Djivas from PFM?

I'm a suspect guy to talk about this question. I'm a bass player and I listen with a lot of attention the basslines.

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Roger Waters/Pink Floyd-simple and perfect, what about Money and Echoes?
Chris Squire/Yes-someone that had made A line like Roundabout deserve be in any to
Greg Lake/ELP-one of the best singer and, yes people he are one of the best bassists what about The Hut Of Baba Yaga and The Barbarian?
Geddy Lee/Rush-what a m*&-f*$ bassist .
Mike Rutherford/Genesis-great bassist
Patrick Djivas/PFM-another one of the Squire's school.
Pedrão/Som Nosso De Cada Dia-Som Nosso De Cada Dia deserves this good bassist.
Alan Pierre/A Barca Do Sol-A Barca Do Sol was a great brazilian band
Jon Camp/Renaissance-great lines in Prologue & Ashes Are Burning.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2005 at 17:15
Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

Lark's Tongues! . Does Starless have a monster bass bit as well? sort of "DUM, DUM, da DUM DUM DUM. You must know that one..! ) I can't quite remember if I'm thinking of the right song (and if I am, it's not a very difficult part, but it really sounds great). In fact Starless is one of my favourite songs ever, although it's more due to the guitar/violin/synth than the bass part.
Yeah goose it does have a moster bass part but it goes like this:

Daa dada daa dada Daa dada daa dada. And at the same time Fripp is doing this: Deer der der der Deer der der der  It`s the dynamics rather than the complexity that make the piece. When the whole thnig gets out of control at the end shivers go up my spine. I mean Bob just let`s it rip!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2005 at 18:40

It appears you all know a hell of a lot more than me, but hey this disscussion has given me a lot to look into.

P.s Chris Squire overrated, I dont think so!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2005 at 19:45

I dOnt Think LAke ShOUld bE HeRe

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2005 at 21:13

So, Penguin... that doesn't answer the question... that just provokes.. haven't you learned anything... or are you just trying to continue the madness....

Anyway the questions was: How important is the bassist to Prog?  Well that depended on the band.  With a band like ELP... a trio, the bass is extremely important... with a band like the Moody Blues it might not be as important.  However, we have been fortunate to have some of the best bassists in prog bands... and yes that includes Greg, as well as Chris Squire, Geddy Lee, Tony Levin, John Wetton, Dave LeRue, and my other favorite John Jowitt.

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2005 at 23:07

Originally posted by penguindf12 penguindf12 wrote:

Hmm...perhaps I wasn't clear in phrasing:

I dOnt Think LAke ShOUld bE HeRe

Hee hee! I'm actually joking. The "crazy" emoticon and winking thingy mean that I'm kidding and am actually mocking those who would say that. Also, "should be here" is underlined, further attempting to give a hint that I actually think Lake is a very good bassist and ELP is a perfectly good prog band. Hope that clears it up, sorry for the mix-up.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2005 at 23:33
I think the guy from Eloy should get honorable mention, I mean just listen to apocalypse!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2005 at 04:32

Originally posted by Hangedman Hangedman wrote:

I think the guy from Eloy should get honorable mention, I mean just listen to apocalypse!

Yes! I mean listen to his bass lines in Ocean. All of them are just awesome. Poseidon's Creation he does one hell of a slap bass line.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2005 at 05:20

Originally posted by Hangedman Hangedman wrote:

I think the guy from Eloy should get honorable mention, I mean just listen to apocalypse!

I've just got the ELOY remasters from Silent Cries... to Metromania.The bass is superb on their records.Time To Turn is the one that amazes me the most

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2005 at 06:06

The bass is the most important instrument IMHO. It's the backbone of every rock band.

You can have a band without keyboards, you can have a band without guitars, you could even do without the drums (even though the bass-drums marriage is not to be messed with) but you could never have a rock band without BASS.

Some of my favorites:

  • Chris Squire
  • John Glascock (RIP)
  • John Jowitt
  • Pete Trewavas
  • Jonas Reingold

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2005 at 06:31

Well, to focus in on the question (and not just post a 'who is my favourite bass player' reply), the following have, IMHO, been vital in creating the band's unique sound:-

Chris Squire, John Wetton, Tony Levin, Paul McCartney, Mike Rutherford (if you'll allow his 12-string & Bass Pedal contribution as well), Ray Shulman.

I certainly dont feel that Greg Lake or Roger Waters were important in their contribution as bass players, but vocally (both) and conceptually (Waters) I would give them their considerable dues.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2005 at 07:02

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Jeff Berlin could belt out a song and play extraordinary bass lines at the same time. He jammed with Rush once in the studio with Geddy on keys. Would have loved to hear that one. Tony Levin has to be one of my favourites. His playing always makes a difference. He was never just along for the ride. Alain Caron in my opinion rivals the playing of Jaco. Many of his compositions are dedicated to Jaco. I liked the raw bass playing of Wetton  during his KC years. He loved to crank it up. I love the riff  in Lark`s Tongues In Aspic Pt. II. Who doesn`t take out the air bass for that one? Da na da na da na da na DVVVV DVVVV DVVVV DVVVVV DVVVV DVVVVV DVVV DVVVV DVVVV da na da na da na da na...........

 

Interesting to read the interview the original members of UK gave the Melody Maker, when that band released their eponymously titled album. Wetton's interview is memorable because he said with the quality of musicians around him he had to shift his game plan considerably, in terms of playing and thinking about what he was playing - he reckoned up until that point of time, what he did on UK was his best.

Interesting to see how many jazz and jazz rock fusion electric bass players, acknowledge Jaco - for instance Marcus Miller regularly - Christian McBride reckoned he had been one of Wynton Marsalis's big disciples (e.g. with 'jazz is America's classic music' etc. thing), until he started to listen to Weather Report and Jaco. And I see there is yet another Jaco tribute album due out soon.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2005 at 07:02
Originally posted by Jethro Fish Jethro Fish wrote:

You can have a band without keyboards, you can have a band without guitars, you could even do without the drums (even though the bass-drums marriage is not to be messed with) but you could never have a rock band without BASS.

What about The Doors?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2005 at 07:10
What about some Hammill Solo albums? A band can be made to work with many arrangements of instruments, it will just create a different sound.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2005 at 07:19
Originally posted by Jethro Fish Jethro Fish wrote:

The bass is the most important instrument IMHO. It's the backbone of every rock band.

 

Not always true -  great keyboard players can readily provide the bassline on the bass pedals. Your fellow countrymen, the Johansson brothers have demonstrated this on Heavy Machine, Fission, and Fjäderlösa Tvåfotingar. And elsewhere they have also played with one of the greatest bassists in the form of Jonas Hellborg  - but I sometimes think Jens Johnasson's bass pedal work is really Hellborg! Dudley Moore, the late British comedy film actor, was also a superb pianist and organist; whilst an organ scholar at Oxford University, he was known regularly whilst playing one of Bach's Tocatas and Fugue, to conjure Smoke Gets In Your Eyes from the church pipe organ's bass pedals.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2005 at 05:35
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Hangedman Hangedman wrote:

I think the guy from Eloy should get honorable mention, I mean just listen to apocalypse!

I've just got the ELOY remasters from Silent Cries... to Metromania.The bass is superb on their records.Time To Turn is the one that amazes me the most

Agree. He is remarkable. Sometimes I belive he sounds like Geddy.

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