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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 09:06

Personally I find Division Bell and Momentary Lapse of Reason to be really sterile affairs and very laboured in terms of songwriting. They're both padded out with vapid instrumental noodlings which, to me, lack any kind of impetus other than to say 'this is what we sound like so let's be atmospheric'.

I've long felt that Gilmour is a very limited songwriter and continue to believe that. His solo work is marked by a lack of strong compositions. He's a wonderful guitar player and a fine enough singer but he doesn't exactly leap out of the crowd when you say 'amazing writer'.

As usual in these situation there's a sum of the parts thing going on. It's that strange alchemy of disparate elements transmuting chords and notes into gold.  Remove an element and what have you got - for fans of Blackadder I think you get the musical equiavlent of Percy's 'purest green'. Gold it ain't.

The best of Floyd exists in the push and pull between Gilmour and Waters. The Waters vitriol that creates Dogs with the sublime playing that articulates that anger.

Waters is a rotten musician. He'll probably tell you that himself. But he was often a great writer. Gilmour is a superb musician and a gifted arranger but a lousy writer. Sum of the parts.

Post Waters Floyd was a triumph of style over content. Post Floyd Waters was full of fury but sounds insignificant.

While, in recent years I've more and more come to the conclusion that Floyd really only produced four 'great' albums Meddle, DSOTM, WYWH and Animals, I still think the Wall and Final Cut contained aspects of what made Floyd great - a fiery little synergy that made even their most laid back meanderings bite a little.

Everything after that was just an incomplete echo of what went before, a facsimile that in every repeition gets blurred at the edges until it's not recognisable anymore.

To me then, Division Bell simply represents some nice easy listening background music. To quote BB King: the thrill is gone.

 

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 09:40
Blacksword....yes I'm one of those rarities that prefer Momenteary lapse, it has far more cohesion to me. more of a complete album if you like. Although not all the individual songs are better. I dont like Dogs Of War much for example
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 14:25
... and "Momentary Lapse" has 2 classics

* "Learning to Fly" (yes, it's a pop song but it succeeds)
* "On the Turning Away" (extremely beautiful, isn't it?)

... as well as 2 ABSOLUTE classics

* "Yet another Movie" (could be one of the highlights on DSotM)
* "Sorrow" (on stage it turns out to be one of the most sinister, most powerful things they've ever done)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 14:32

I fell in love with flying pigs, confused sheep, staring cows, albatrosses hanging overhead...

And the Division Bell is nothing of those.

It may be good, but compared to the albums before it, compared to the Floyd before it...

That's not my favorite band anymore.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 14:35

There are 3 types of Pin Floyd fans...

-the Syd Barrets

-The Roger Waters

-The David Gilmours

I' m a  David Gilmour-type

And Division Bell is Pink Floyd at their best to me...

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 14:45
Originally posted by Deathinition Deathinition wrote:

There are 3 types of Pin Floyd fans...

-the Syd Barrets

-The Roger Waters

-The David Gilmours

I' m a  David Gilmour-type

And Division Bell is Pink Floyd at their best to me...

I agree... I prefer the Gilmour stuff myself.  Love Division Bell and AMLOR.. can't stand TFC.

I don't see anything wrong with the songwriting on TDB or AMLOR.  I think TDB has so many ideas tied up in the songwriting, that that Floyd album more than any other has caused discussion and debate on its meaning.  Thats the mark of real songwriting... everyone gets something different from it...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 14:49
I don't even want to listen to that album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 15:03
Of course you don't, you might actually need to be alert for that!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 15:35

"The division bell" is actually a masterpiece of prog in my book. There are so many things I love about the album, but in essence I don't feel there's a weak track on it.

The concept is there alright, and whether Gilmour choses to admit it, Waters lurks in many of the lyrics.

"So I open the door to my enemies, and I ask can we wipe the slate clean, but they tell me to please go and f**k myself, sometimes you just can't win." Hmm, wonder who he's taking about there then?Wink

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 17:35
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

"The division bell" is actually a masterpiece of prog in my book. There are so many things I love about the album, but in essence I don't feel there's a weak track on it.

The concept is there alright, and whether Gilmour choses to admit it, Waters lurks in many of the lyrics.

"So I open the door to my enemies, and I ask can we wipe the slate clean, but they tell me to please go and f**k myself, sometimes you just can't win." Hmm, wonder who he's taking about there then?Wink


Thanks Easy (and 3F8's). I obviously agree with you

I am definitely in the minority about thinking this a "5-star" classic prog album, and I COMPLETELY understand why people don't agree with me, BUT I stand by my rating, and the respect/admiration I have for this album.

Without a doubt a Top 10 Desert island album (not for everyone, but for me...)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 17:39
I think people were expecting another Dark Side. It's just not going to happen. It's a solid album that tries to return to the classic Floyd sound (Meddle to WYWH era). It deserves at the most four stars. I would give it three, though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 18:15

Obviously opinion is very divided on this the last of PF's studio albums. I love TDB and have so from the day of it's release. As Threefates said it was "like a breath of fresh air" musically after some years of nothing new or recovery from the Roger Waters era. It is an easy album to listen to musically and if one was to really take in the lyrics there would be many a challenge lurking there.

I would definitely give it a 5 star rating as I feel it is progressive enough to be challenging without creating angst in the listener, as did (well for me personally) TFC which I have never liked and The Wall which I have proclaimed elsewhere in the forums to be the most depressing of PF's albums and really not that musically exciting. All kudos to the remaining 3 for producing a great album in the face of much criticsm. A great review Cluster One - I am with you on this!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 18:19
I like this album quite a bit too. Certainly moreso than AMLOR, which has a few great songs and the rest are average IMO. High Hopes, Wearing The Inside Out (yay, the return of Rick!), & Keep Talking are my faves from TDB. Only one I really don't like is Take It Back (did Dave actually TRY to sing off key on this one?). I'd give it 4 stars, whereas I would give AMLOR 3.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 20:21

I actually love AMLOR... I don't know why every one has such a problem with it.  I think that Learning to Fly and On the Turning Away are just marvelous... but Sorrow and Yet Another Movie.. give David another rise to shine... and shine he does.  The only one of the songs I have a problem with on the studio album is Dogs of War... but on the live "DSOT"... Dave just blows that song out of the water... and even that song sounds just wonderful!!!

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 20:31
I don't have a problem with AMLOR either - There are some magic moments on this album - "Sorrow" and "On The Turning" rate very highly on my favourite PF song list. This album is a gem  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 21:11
AMLOR is among the best of the Floyd albums: hardly comparable to wall, DSOTM , WYWH, animals, it is their most atmospheric one, and it is a frank success! If you don't have your ears ready for atmospheric floating textures and slow rhythms, then you will not like it! fans of neo prog should like AMLOR!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 21:40

Below is my "Division Bell" review, although you may normally find it in the reviews section ... I would only add to it that to me anything that PINK FLOYD writes (or Gilmour, or Waters) is not to be judged, but accepted. PINK FLOYD is the ultimate standard of prog music -- its works are always worth six stars. Other bands may just be excellent bands, but PINK FLOYD is the genius.

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The jubilee of "The Division Bell"! Ten years ago, being a fifteen-year old boy, I bought my first PINK FLOYD, and at the same time the first progressive album, "The Division Bell" (then on a tape). Oh, what a day it was when I listened to it - a new world opened up for me! I loved its every single sound, and have the same strong affection for it up to this day. Of course, later I got acquainted with even better PINK FLOYD works, but nothing can delete from my mind the initial ten-star impression of "The Division Bell". Looking at it now, ten years after, when I know that PINK FLOYD has fully permeated my brain and body and will stay with me for the rest of my life, when it has become to me synonimous with intelligence, emotion and mystery (I also associate these epithets and PINK FLOYD itself with John Fowles, a remarkable English novelist, one of the greatest minds of the literary England in the second part of the twentieth century), I place "The Division Bell" in line with the band's undisputably greatest creations: "The Dark Side of The Moon", "Wish You Were Here", "Animals" and "The Wall". Yes, "The Division Bell" is different. But which of the four mentioned albums of the seventies was not different? Yes, "The Division Bell" was recorded without Roger Waters, but does not the magic of David Gulmour's guitar and the peak of his (Gilmour's) creative power make up for his (Waters') absence? Can you sincerely point to a single weak track in the album? The whole is a beautiful, masterful composition, made in one style, in one mood, in one rich, expressive brushstroke of a true Master! The album has to be listened to as an undivisible piece, but if you make me do such a blasphemy as to tear it apart into tracks and select the best ones, these would be "What do you want from me", "Keep talking", "Lost for words" and "High Hopes" (this is after fighting the intention to include 80% of the tracks in this list!). "High Hopes" above all keeps me in suspension, especially when I make the volume loud and think about the words. I am sure "The Division Bell" will live in the hearts of the true PINK FLOYD fans for many many years to come and won't be forgotten until its hundredth anniversary!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2005 at 22:35

I've always found something to love in every PF album since AHM. My problem with DB is the static quality of the tunes, it bores me and I can't listen to it in one sitting. Individually, it's got some great tunes.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2005 at 00:38
This is worse than any Roger Water's solo album IMO. Oh what might have been
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2005 at 02:15
The Division Bell is The Division Bell, no more, no less. Not much to say about it except that it is a good album. In my opinion, it is better then some of the earlier Floyd-albums and worse then several earlier Floyd-albums. No big deal.
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