Coheed&Cambria Prog??

Floydian42 wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: ^ which is why they're in the prog-related category. It seems like people just don't get it ... bands in that category are *not* prog. Well, I don't even see any clear relation, but hey, everyone has an opinion, right?

The prog elements they use were outlined many times in this thread ... you're free to ignore these posts of course. You also don't have to agree with them, but consider this:

http://www.last.fm/music/Coheed+and+Cambria

As you can see by the tags most user seem to think that they're even fully fledged prog rock ... so the position of PA could even be described as "conservative".

Logan wrote: Re an earlier comment: The question might be, if not Prog, would one describe them as related to prog to someone?

I would describe them as prog related to people who mainly listen to non-prog alternative/independent/emo rock. Then I would add that there are bands from those genres who have more prog elements - such as Dredg, Three, Oceansize or Radiohead.

Coheed&Cambria Prog??

Give me a break!!

micky wrote: P.H.P. wrote: Coheed&Cambria Prog?? Give me a break!! ^ unable to understand the concept  prog-related give me a break....

I seem to remember it being suggested much this way before, but it would be a neat feature if albums could be rated with a prog-o-meter here since some albums by "Prog Related" bands are much more related than others (and indeed some bands deemed Prog Related are more related than others).  Of course the Prog-quotient should be reflected in the existent album ratings too.

micky wrote: P.H.P. wrote: Coheed&Cambria Prog?? Give me a break!! ^ unable to understand the concept  prog-related give me a break....

But, as has been noted already, some people really do consider C&C Prog.  Before I decided to join here (though I was a long-time user of this site), I was familiar with other sites that considered C&C Prog.  When I fist heard them, it was not the kind of music I was expecting at all, and was very disappointed, it wasn't Prog as I knew it... But then I've come to accept a wide variety of music under the Prog umbrella that I, formerly only being familiar with the traditional Prog more popular names, wouldn't have thought of as as Prog per se (as a specific movement), but I would've considered progressive.

Logan wrote: micky wrote: P.H.P. wrote: Coheed&Cambria Prog?? Give me a break!! ^ unable to understand the concept  prog-related give me a break.... But, as has been noted already, some people really do consider C&C Prog.  Before I decided to join here (though I was a long-time user of this site), I was familiar with other sites that considered C&C Prog.  When I fist heard them, it was not the kind of music I was expecting at all, and was very disappointed, it wasn't Prog as I knew it... But then I've come to accept a wide variety of music under the Prog umbrella that I, formerly only being familiar with the traditional Prog more popular names, wouldn't have thought of as as Prog per se (as a specific movement), but I would've considered progressive.

can I be blunt... that is why you are a collab.. and some here will never be even if they wanted to... prog demands an open mind.

I have no opinions as to the group itself... I just defend the system we have here and those that decide it.  We are all volunteers..  and either people live with the way things are.. or they can find another site.  If C&C, by either being on the site...or not being in a full prog category bugs someone to no end.... just leave.... those kind of people bring nothing to the site anyway.  Are they the type who will have an open mind to explore and appreciate new areas of prog.   Nope.

Thanks Micky.

Progressive music is to a large extent about pushing boundaries, I think it tends to appeal to people with fairly flexible mind.  To be honest, I'm not inclined to defend a system, because I think it should be open to new ideas, and constructive criticism can lead to improvements.  And I know you're not afraid to rock the boat a bit.  I don't think anyone here would claim the system is perfect, but you guys have done an amazing job.

  If I care about a site or a subject, then I will offer my suggestions/ opinions for discussion.  What I don't like is the disrespectful way some people criticise.  If they want their ides to be considered, they should be considerate in turn.  If they want to be shown respect, they should be respectful. Ah well, people like to bitch about things (shame more people aren't grateful for all the hard work you guys  have put into this site to make it a great resource and prefer to be more negative than positive).

Anyway, I think it's really important to be progressive in one's thinking.  If one limited oneself to a certain "traditionalist" view of Prog, this site would be very limited.  It was important to expand into various forms of progressive music to remain vibrant.  I could imagine  site having two categories: Progressive Rock (classic) and Retro Prog (or regressive -- bands not part of the original movement but emulating it).

I see this place getting better and better (as any good site should).

As for C&C, it's not a particularly Prog related band to my ear, but not liking the music may have affected my perception of it somewhat.


Edited by Logan - September 29 2007 at 14:55

Logan wrote: Thanks Micky. Progressive music is to a large extent about pushing boundaries, I think it tends to appeal to people with fairly flexible mind.  To be honest, I'm not inclined to defend a system, because I think it should be open to new ideas, and constructive criticism can lead to improvements.  And I know you're not afraid to rock the boat a bit.  I don't think anyone here would claim the system is perfect, but you guys have done an amazing job.   If I care about a site or a subject, then I will offer my suggestions/ opinions for discussion.  What I don't like is the disrespectful way some people criticise.  If they want their ides to be considered, they should be considerate in turn.  If they want to be shown respect, they should be respectful. Ah well, people like to bitch about things (shame more people aren't grateful for all the hard work you guys  have put into this site to make it a great resource and prefer to be more negative than positive). Anyway, I think it's really important to be progressive in one's thinking.  If one limited oneself to a certain "traditionalist" view of Prog, this site would be very limited.  It was important to expand into various forms of progressive music to remain vibrant.  I could imagine  site having two categories: Progressive Rock (classic) and Retro Prog (or regressive -- bands not part of the original movement but emulating it). I see this place getting better and better (as any good site should). As for C&C, it's not a particularly Prog related band to my ear, but not liking the music may have affected my perception of it somewhat.

you make some good points ... and are probably best talked of in private.  Change here is a complicated  thing.. it doesn't have to be...  but it is. and that is what we are left to deal with.

wow.. .I haven't seen that many clappies in....errr.. far too long  

Thanks.. for what it's worth.. I've beat my head bloody trying to get changes here.  You can... but damn... you have to be damn dedicated to do it.  Not to mention a persistant b*****d as well.  The fact is this site is owned by someone.. and they have final say.  As my earlier advice says... we either accept it ..or we move on.

Cheers


Edited by micky - September 29 2007 at 15:21