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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2007 at 13:39
OK Computer (and Amnesiac and Hail to the Thief) are Crossover Prog. Please read the current Crossover Prog definition (http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=3) - everything there can be applied to Radiohead.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2007 at 14:09
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2007 at 14:15
Thanks Dean, for answering the question I was asking.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2007 at 14:27
Let's just take a look to the first line:

"Crossover Prog contains progressive rock music that, though 100% progressive..."

I don't think that fits Radiohead's music at all

Because if that what you say is right, then what's Britpop, Alternative Rock?? let me remember during the 90's that's how they were seen, and that's how they should remain, just don't pretend Radiohead are something that they are not, because if Radiohead are Prog, Coldplay and Oasis are Prog too and everything will be fine...Dead

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2007 at 14:44
Originally posted by P.H.P. P.H.P. wrote:

Let's just take a look to the first line:

"Crossover Prog contains progressive rock music that, though 100% progressive..."

I don't think that fits Radiohead's music at all

Because if that what you say is right, then what's Britpop, Alternative Rock?? let me remember during the 90's that's how they were seen, and that's how they should remain, just don't pretend Radiohead are something that they are not, because if Radiohead are Prog, Coldplay and Oasis are Prog too and everything will be fine...Dead

Why? It does not follow that a band should be labelled by the genre they were grouped in when they first came to prominance; if they go through several musical shifts through-out their career to the extent that their third, fourth, fifth and sixth ablums bear no musical resemblence to their intial recordings. You could make the same observation about any number of bands within the Prog Archives...
 
Talking the converse view, should we boot out any band who makes the reverse trip from 100% prog to 100% pop? No - of course not. Radiohead are evaluated and assessed on their Progressive/Art Rock albums - not on their Brit-Pop beginnings.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2007 at 16:25
Originally posted by P.H.P. P.H.P. wrote:

Let's just take a look to the first line:

"Crossover Prog contains progressive rock music that, though 100% progressive..."

I don't think that fits Radiohead's music at all

Because if that what you say is right, then what's Britpop, Alternative Rock?? let me remember during the 90's that's how they were seen, and that's how they should remain, just don't pretend Radiohead are something that they are not, because if Radiohead are Prog, Coldplay and Oasis are Prog too and everything will be fine...Dead



Wow ... remind me to never take anything you say seriously again. Even on Pablo Honey Radiohead were like 10x more progressive than anything Oasis ever did - and don't get me started about Coldplay either. And of course Radiohead didn't stop there - it's their least progressive album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2007 at 16:43
Originally posted by P.H.P. P.H.P. wrote:

Let's just take a look to the first line:

"Crossover Prog contains progressive rock music that, though 100% progressive..."

I don't think that fits Radiohead's music at all

Because if that what you say is right, then what's Britpop, Alternative Rock?? let me remember during the 90's that's how they were seen, and that's how they should remain, just don't pretend Radiohead are something that they are not, because if Radiohead are Prog, Coldplay and Oasis are Prog too and everything will be fine...Dead



Be carefully before taking things like an extremist; you can't compare Oasis or Coldplay music to Radiohead stuff at least after OKputer. You say they're kinda pretentious; how so? They undenaiably have true prog influences, and that's the main difference with the rest of the alternative bands.

Do call britpop to Pablo Honey or The Bends, but somewhere in this site I read once: One album from a band is enough to call 'em prog, and just Kid A is deserver to place Radiohead in PA, dunno if in prog related or in crossover, but they're here anyway.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2007 at 16:44
Originally posted by darqdean darqdean wrote:

Originally posted by P.H.P. P.H.P. wrote:

Let's just take a look to the first line:

"Crossover Prog contains progressive rock music that, though 100% progressive..."

I don't think that fits Radiohead's music at all

Because if that what you say is right, then what's Britpop, Alternative Rock?? let me remember during the 90's that's how they were seen, and that's how they should remain, just don't pretend Radiohead are something that they are not, because if Radiohead are Prog, Coldplay and Oasis are Prog too and everything will be fine...Dead

Why? It does not follow that a band should be labelled by the genre they were grouped in when they first came to prominance; if they go through several musical shifts through-out their career to the extent that their third, fourth, fifth and sixth ablums bear no musical resemblence to their intial recordings. You could make the same observation about any number of bands within the Prog Archives...
 
Talking the converse view, should we boot out any band who makes the reverse trip from 100% prog to 100% pop? No - of course not. Radiohead are evaluated and assessed on their Progressive/Art Rock albums - not on their Brit-Pop beginnings.


they should tattoo that post on the ass of every newbie that joins this site. and maybe more than a few long time posters as well LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2007 at 18:32
LOLLOL Well yeah, I had to exaggerate like that to make to see one point...

Why do you guys still pretend Radiohead to be the ultimate Prog band??

When we know that's something that's simply not true, and some of you still say that Radiohead are "100% progressive" just like as this new "crossover" states, give me a break.

The band "environment" and the "area" on people they have are evidently out of any Prog circle approach, the "scene" where their belong has nothing to do with Prog, you just are making them look like a real Prog band when they are factually not, that's what I say, not only because if you guys like them, you guys have to make them look Prog.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2007 at 18:46
Well ok, you're backing the real topic now and you know I agree with your first statement about Radiohead progressiveness......... The only controversial thing you posted that I (and others) doubted is that weird comparison you did Tongue

BUT...... Who did pretend Radiohead to be the ultimate prog band?????????? Again with the exaggerations LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2007 at 18:53
Originally posted by sircosick sircosick wrote:

Well ok, you're backing the real topic now and you know I agree with your first statement about Radiohead progressiveness......... The only controversial thing you posted that I (and others) doubted is that weird comparison you did Tongue

BUT...... Who did pretend Radiohead to be the ultimate prog band?????????? Again with the exaggerations LOL

LOLLOL Well, yes I did that to make it sound more direct, and also because maybe some people could really think like that, and that would be very bad.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2007 at 19:01
Originally posted by darqdean darqdean wrote:

Originally posted by P.H.P. P.H.P. wrote:

Let's just take a look to the first line:

"Crossover Prog contains progressive rock music that, though 100% progressive..."

I don't think that fits Radiohead's music at all

Because if that what you say is right, then what's Britpop, Alternative Rock?? let me remember during the 90's that's how they were seen, and that's how they should remain, just don't pretend Radiohead are something that they are not, because if Radiohead are Prog, Coldplay and Oasis are Prog too and everything will be fine...Dead

Why? It does not follow that a band should be labelled by the genre they were grouped in when they first came to prominance; if they go through several musical shifts through-out their career to the extent that their third, fourth, fifth and sixth ablums bear no musical resemblence to their intial recordings. You could make the same observation about any number of bands within the Prog Archives...
 
Talking the converse view, should we boot out any band who makes the reverse trip from 100% prog to 100% pop? No - of course not. Radiohead are evaluated and assessed on their Progressive/Art Rock albums - not on their Brit-Pop beginnings.

Exactly right.
Think of a lot of the classic prog bands. If you go by their more recent work (and many from the 80s) they're prog related albums at best. Well, same goes for Radiohead's earlier work. It was a phase. It passed. Since 1997 they have released nothing but progressive albums. They qualify as a 100% prog band.
I personally feel that Kid A and Amnesiac are post-rock albums, but given their spectrum of work, Crossover is best.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2007 at 19:07
Originally posted by P.H.P. P.H.P. wrote:

Originally posted by sircosick sircosick wrote:

Well ok, you're backing the real topic now and you know I agree with your first statement about Radiohead progressiveness......... The only controversial thing you posted that I (and others) doubted is that weird comparison you did Tongue

BUT...... Who did pretend Radiohead to be the ultimate prog band?????????? Again with the exaggerations LOL

LOLLOL Well, yes I did that to make it sound more direct, and also because maybe some people could really think like that, and that would be very bad.

Exaggeration and unwarranted generalisations also look very bad because they give the impression that you are applying the same criteria for judging Radiohead's music as you do for those who oppose your view of their music. Nobody is pretending Radiohead is the ultimate Prog band, nor is anybody saying that all of their music is progressive - The '100% progressive' statement in the Crossover Prog definition does not mean 100% of the entire discography.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2007 at 19:12
Originally posted by P.H.P. P.H.P. wrote:

Originally posted by sircosick sircosick wrote:

Well ok, you're backing the real topic now and you know I agree with your first statement about Radiohead progressiveness......... The only controversial thing you posted that I (and others) doubted is that weird comparison you did Tongue

BUT...... Who did pretend Radiohead to be the ultimate prog band?????????? Again with the exaggerations LOL

LOLLOL Well, yes I did that to make it sound more direct, and also because maybe some people could really think like that, and that would be very bad.



oh really.....  how about maybe the ultimate MODERN prog band LOLWink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2007 at 19:15
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by P.H.P. P.H.P. wrote:

Originally posted by sircosick sircosick wrote:

Well ok, you're backing the real topic now and you know I agree with your first statement about Radiohead progressiveness......... The only controversial thing you posted that I (and others) doubted is that weird comparison you did Tongue

BUT...... Who did pretend Radiohead to be the ultimate prog band?????????? Again with the exaggerations LOL

LOLLOL Well, yes I did that to make it sound more direct, and also because maybe some people could really think like that, and that would be very bad.



oh really.....  how about maybe the ultimate MODERN prog band LOLWink

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Originally posted by darqdean darqdean wrote:

Exaggeration and unwarranted generalisations also look very bad because they give the impression that you are applying the same criteria for judging Radiohead's music as you do for those who oppose your view of their music. Nobody is pretending Radiohead is the ultimate Prog band, nor is anybody saying that all of their music is progressive - The '100% progressive' statement in the Crossover Prog definition does not mean 100% of the entire discography.

I can't count a single one "100% progressive" album by Radiohead, and aww, I have listened several in the last years, shame on me, I should have listened some more of good ol' Prog Rock instead, haha. Ouch LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2007 at 19:17
Originally posted by moreitsythanyou moreitsythanyou wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by P.H.P. P.H.P. wrote:

Originally posted by sircosick sircosick wrote:

Well ok, you're backing the real topic now and you know I agree with your first statement about Radiohead progressiveness......... The only controversial thing you posted that I (and others) doubted is that weird comparison you did Tongue

BUT...... Who did pretend Radiohead to be the ultimate prog band?????????? Again with the exaggerations LOL

LOLLOL Well, yes I did that to make it sound more direct, and also because maybe some people could really think like that, and that would be very bad.



oh really.....  how about maybe the ultimate MODERN prog band LOLWink

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2007 at 19:23
Originally posted by P.H.P. P.H.P. wrote:

Originally posted by darqdean darqdean wrote:

Exaggeration and unwarranted generalisations also look very bad because they give the impression that you are applying the same criteria for judging Radiohead's music as you do for those who oppose your view of their music. Nobody is pretending Radiohead is the ultimate Prog band, nor is anybody saying that all of their music is progressive - The '100% progressive' statement in the Crossover Prog definition does not mean 100% of the entire discography.

I can't count a single one "100% progressive" album by Radiohead, and aww, I have listened several in the last years, shame on me, I should have listened some more of good ol' Prog Rock instead, haha. Ouch LOL




That's mainly why I think they must be among prog relateds Ouch
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2007 at 19:24
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:



oh really.....  how about maybe the ultimate MODERN prog band LOLWink

LOL well, no, if you mean by "modern", bands that don't have too much to say about their Prog Rock roots, and instead have all the alternative, depressive, annoying, noisy, even punky rooted stuff, well probably they're simply not Prog Rock then. Big%20smile

I must admit, they could be the ultimate alternative rock band of the 90's, not Prog, hahah.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 25 2007 at 19:33
Originally posted by P.H.P. P.H.P. wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:



oh really.....  how about maybe the ultimate MODERN prog band LOLWink

LOL well, no, if you mean by "modern", bands that don't have too much to say about their Prog Rock roots, and instead have all the alternative, depressive, annoying, noisy, even punky rooted stuff, well probably they're simply not Prog Rock then. Big%20smile




I'll answer this while I toss my chicken and cook my salad.

 Many 'modern' bands are but retreads of the same old sh*t from the 70's. In that  Radiohead and TMV.. though differently stylisticly are quite prog.  It may not be your daddy's prog.. .but it is prog all the same.

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