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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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^ OK Computer (and Amnesiac and Hail to the Thief) are Crossover Prog. Please read the current Crossover Prog definition (http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=3) - everything there can be applied to Radiohead.
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21680 |
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^ Agreed.
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bhikkhu ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 06 2006 Location: AČ Michigan Status: Offline Points: 5109 |
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Thanks Dean, for answering the question I was asking.
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P.H.P. ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 01 2007 Status: Offline Points: 334 |
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Let's just take a look to the first line:
"Crossover Prog contains progressive rock music that, though 100% progressive..." I don't think that fits Radiohead's music at all Because if that what you say is right, then what's Britpop, Alternative Rock?? let me remember during the 90's that's how they were seen, and that's how they should remain, just don't pretend Radiohead are something that they are not, because if Radiohead are Prog, Coldplay and Oasis are Prog too and everything will be fine... ![]() |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Why? It does not follow that a band should be labelled by the genre they were grouped in when they first came to prominance; if they go through several musical shifts through-out their career to the extent that their third, fourth, fifth and sixth ablums bear no musical resemblence to their intial recordings. You could make the same observation about any number of bands within the Prog Archives...
Talking the converse view, should we boot out any band who makes the reverse trip from 100% prog to 100% pop? No - of course not. Radiohead are evaluated and assessed on their Progressive/Art Rock albums - not on their Brit-Pop beginnings.
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21680 |
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Wow ... remind me to never take anything you say seriously again. Even on Pablo Honey Radiohead were like 10x more progressive than anything Oasis ever did - and don't get me started about Coldplay either. And of course Radiohead didn't stop there - it's their least progressive album. |
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sircosick ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: January 29 2007 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 1264 |
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Be carefully before taking things like an extremist; you can't compare Oasis or Coldplay music to Radiohead stuff at least after OKputer. You say they're kinda pretentious; how so? They undenaiably have true prog influences, and that's the main difference with the rest of the alternative bands. Do call britpop to Pablo Honey or The Bends, but somewhere in this site I read once: One album from a band is enough to call 'em prog, and just Kid A is deserver to place Radiohead in PA, dunno if in prog related or in crossover, but they're here anyway. |
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
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they should tattoo that post on the ass of every newbie that joins this site. and maybe more than a few long time posters as well ![]() Edited by micky - September 25 2007 at 16:45 |
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P.H.P. ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 01 2007 Status: Offline Points: 334 |
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![]() ![]() Why do you guys still pretend Radiohead to be the ultimate Prog band?? When we know that's something that's simply not true, and some of you still say that Radiohead are "100% progressive" just like as this new "crossover" states, give me a break. The band "environment" and the "area" on people they have are evidently out of any Prog circle approach, the "scene" where their belong has nothing to do with Prog, you just are making them look like a real Prog band when they are factually not, that's what I say, not only because if you guys like them, you guys have to make them look Prog. Edited by P.H.P. - September 25 2007 at 18:44 |
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sircosick ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: January 29 2007 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 1264 |
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Well ok, you're backing the real topic now and you know I agree with your first statement about Radiohead progressiveness......... The only controversial thing you posted that I (and others) doubted is that weird comparison you did
![]() BUT...... Who did pretend Radiohead to be the ultimate prog band?????????? Again with the exaggerations ![]() |
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P.H.P. ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 01 2007 Status: Offline Points: 334 |
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![]() ![]() Edited by P.H.P. - September 25 2007 at 18:54 |
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moreitsythanyou ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: April 23 2006 Location: NYC Status: Offline Points: 11682 |
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Exactly right. Think of a lot of the classic prog bands. If you go by their more recent work (and many from the 80s) they're prog related albums at best. Well, same goes for Radiohead's earlier work. It was a phase. It passed. Since 1997 they have released nothing but progressive albums. They qualify as a 100% prog band. I personally feel that Kid A and Amnesiac are post-rock albums, but given their spectrum of work, Crossover is best. |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Exaggeration and unwarranted generalisations also look very bad because they give the impression that you are applying the same criteria for judging Radiohead's music as you do for those who oppose your view of their music. Nobody is pretending Radiohead is the ultimate Prog band, nor is anybody saying that all of their music is progressive - The '100% progressive' statement in the Crossover Prog definition does not mean 100% of the entire discography.
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
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oh really..... how about maybe the ultimate MODERN prog band ![]() ![]() |
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moreitsythanyou ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: April 23 2006 Location: NYC Status: Offline Points: 11682 |
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P.H.P. ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 01 2007 Status: Offline Points: 334 |
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I can't count a single one "100% progressive" album by Radiohead, and aww, I have listened several in the last years, shame on me, I should have listened some more of good ol' Prog Rock instead, haha. ![]() ![]() |
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
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me either hahahhahaha |
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sircosick ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: January 29 2007 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 1264 |
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That's mainly why I think they must be among prog relateds ![]() |
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P.H.P. ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 01 2007 Status: Offline Points: 334 |
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![]() ![]() I must admit, they could be the ultimate alternative rock band of the 90's, not Prog, hahah. Edited by P.H.P. - September 25 2007 at 19:25 |
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
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I'll answer this while I toss my chicken and cook my salad. Many 'modern' bands are but retreads of the same old sh*t from the 70's. In that Radiohead and TMV.. though differently stylisticly are quite prog. It may not be your daddy's prog.. .but it is prog all the same. damn.... my ice cream is boiling.. gotta run |
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