Uncomfortable truths

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   Nicely put, Rafaella, and welcome back. 

I recognise a lot of your points, I actually to a large extend stopped participating in polls and certain threads that, as you put it, are only based on superlatives etc.

As for PP/PR: a lot of bands deserve to be there, the owners are quite right in keeping these categories. I agree with you that the reason for keeping them there needs to be made more explicit. Currently, some biographies contain a one-liner explaining "Why this artist must be listed in www.progarchives.com" but it's often less than clear. Could be lack of time of those including it, or lack of understanding how important it is for other to know and understand an inclusion - I don't know, but fact is that a one liner like the one included for The Who is insufficient. Earlier this week I started a thread about the influence of jazz bass players and bass as lead instrument in prog. One topic that came up there was the role of John Entwhistle in this context - a far more explicit reason to include them here than the fact that they influenced 60s rock together with The Beatles.

More explicit explanation of why a band should be included is likely to occur in the Collab zone, and showing the conclusions of that in the band page in some way would likely already solve part of the issue. At least, it would be a source for honoust discussion outside the Collab zone as well.

I do understand that writing bio's, collecting information and discussing additions takes time, a lot of time, but in a truly collaborative forum, it is possible to make this change. I'm willing to help out, and strongly believe that working together as a community on these issues rather than fighting one another off the forums, will increase PAs position amongst other sites as well.

Now, shoot me ...

Angelo

P.S. I think The Eagles should be included in Prog Related, because their song Hotel California is about ProgArchives.com, as correctly indicated by Ivan.  

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Angelo Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13244	Posted: July 27 2007 at 02:36
	Nicely put, Rafaella, and welcome back. I recognise a lot of your points, I actually to a large extend stopped participating in polls and certain threads that, as you put it, are only based on superlatives etc. As for PP/PR: a lot of bands deserve to be there, the owners are quite right in keeping these categories. I agree with you that the reason for keeping them there needs to be made more explicit. Currently, some biographies contain a one-liner explaining "Why this artist must be listed in www.progarchives.com" but it's often less than clear. Could be lack of time of those including it, or lack of understanding how important it is for other to know and understand an inclusion - I don't know, but fact is that a one liner like the one included for The Who is insufficient. Earlier this week I started a thread about the influence of jazz bass players and bass as lead instrument in prog. One topic that came up there was the role of John Entwhistle in this context - a far more explicit reason to include them here than the fact that they influenced 60s rock together with The Beatles. More explicit explanation of why a band should be included is likely to occur in the Collab zone, and showing the conclusions of that in the band page in some way would likely already solve part of the issue. At least, it would be a source for honoust discussion outside the Collab zone as well. I do understand that writing bio's, collecting information and discussing additions takes time, a lot of time, but in a truly collaborative forum, it is possible to make this change. I'm willing to help out, and strongly believe that working together as a community on these issues rather than fighting one another off the forums, will increase PAs position amongst other sites as well. Now, shoot me ... Angelo P.S. I think The Eagles should be included in Prog Related, because their song Hotel California is about ProgArchives.com, as correctly indicated by Ivan.
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kazansky Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: December 24 2006 Location: Indonesia Status: Offline Points: 5085	Posted: July 27 2007 at 03:13
	Welcome back !
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Easy Livin Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585	Posted: July 27 2007 at 03:33
	Great to see you around again Raf, I hope the break has been good for you, and that you feel refreshed. You raise some valid points of course, we all know the site will never be perfect. The Proto-Prog and Prog related categories will always carry the most controversy. They do though help to make the site very popular, thus giving us prog fans the opportunity to introduce people to real prog. We therefore need to keep working on finding the best ways to incorporate those categories into the site, and use them to our advantage. There is no easy answer to that, but suggestions from our members are always welcome. The one thing I would say to everyone is that this site is here for you to enjoy. It's all to easy to take things too seriously here. At the end of the day though, it is a leisure activity, one which should be pleasurable and rewarding.

Sean Trane Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20526	Posted: July 28 2007 at 11:33
	Welcome back, Raf No time today, but maybe I'll adress the subject if need be in the coming days.
	let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword

Prog-jester Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: June 05 2005 Location: Love Beach Status: Offline Points: 5919	Posted: July 31 2007 at 10:17
	Welcome back, Raff! Yep, instead of concentrating on lesser known prog-acts (I'm afraid I'll soon become "the guy to laughed at" with all my endless Russian Prog/DISCIPLINE, OCEANSIZE, AMBER LIGHT etc moanings) last days we have THE WHO among most popular albums based on ratings. To be honest, I didn't even own a single THE WHO album and simply don't care about them. Instead of it we have less than 10 reviews on THE WATCH's Primitive, FLOR DE LOTO, GRAYCEON, BEARDFISH, FROMUZ and other astonishing Prog-bands. Sad indeed Edited by Prog-jester - July 31 2007 at 10:19