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Points: 12288 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 08 2007 at 15:56
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The Holy Mountain of Athos (whatever it's actual name is) is also a state, but I don't know how it's special status is defined in the international community. They have a capital "city" and a government, the "Protaton", which consist of the council of protos (the leaders of the monasteries). They have their own legislation only on the matters important to them, for the rest they follow Greece's policy (like in external and internal affairs). They have their own economy laws, for example they don't apply some taxes, so if you buy a candle, an icon, an art album, a CD or something to eat, it will be around 30% cheaper than in inland Greece. They have foreigner rules: one has to get a residence permit in order to be allowed to enter; there is a bureau in the town where you take the boat to sail to the Mountain's ports (there is no terrestrial connection) which serves as a kind of consulate; one needs to take the short permit there, or show an invitation from one of the monasteries to get the extended permit.

I've been there, it's special. Smile
 
Other "sees" existed in the past like some muslim sultanates in the Middle East, North Africa and Asia Major, that were independent then; also some buddhist holy cities. I think that some of them have until now some autonomous status but nothing compared with The Vatican - a real nation.
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Points: 4309 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2007 at 13:30
I remember on the 15th birthday of a female friend we had to pay some extra monay directed to the copyright of the songs we were covering just to prevent future problems. It wasn't more than $50 (17 dollars) and we played like 7 songs. But I don't know what's the situation with myspace.com, I suppose they don't control anything! LOL
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Points: 3089 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 09 2007 at 13:38
Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

Other "sees" existed in the past like some muslim sultanates in the Middle East, North Africa and Asia Major, that were independent then; also some buddhist holy cities. I think that some of them have until now some autonomous status but nothing compared with The Vatican - a real nation.


I see you have knowledge on international affairs... I knew I was right about you being a state president (or a Prime Minister, maybe?) !!! Tongue

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Points: 12288 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2007 at 22:49
Originally posted by andu andu wrote:

Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

Other "sees" existed in the past like some muslim sultanates in the Middle East, North Africa and Asia Major, that were independent then; also some buddhist holy cities. I think that some of them have until now some autonomous status but nothing compared with The Vatican - a real nation.


I see you have knowledge on international affairs... I knew I was right about you being a state president (or a Prime Minister, maybe?) !!! Tongue

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Points: 90 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2007 at 10:51
Having looked into this in some detail, I can give you the UK situation, and probably the US one too, in outline at least.  With the caveat that I am not a lawyer and if you are unsure you should seek proper independent advice.
 
Live music.  As someone stated above, live music venues pay money to be licenced.  In the UK this is administered by the PRS. So you can play those cover versions OK.
 
Recorded music.  This is administered in the UK by the MCPS.  If you record it, you need to get it cleared.  There is no exception to this.  If you post a cover on myspace and it's not cleared, it's illegal.  Even if you don't sell anything.
 
If a cover song is going to appear on a CD you need to obtain a "mechanical licence" which is my reading of the MCPS info means that you need to pay 8.5% of the unit price pro-rata in time by the total length of the CD. (I.e. if you have a 6 minute track which is the only cover on a 60 minute disk, then you need to pay 8.5% of 10% of the cover price to the MCPS.)
 
if it is web-based you need to obtain a digital licence.  In the UK if this is likely to mean less than 45,000 streams it will cost you ... wait for it... £100 for a "Limited Online Exploitation Licence "
 
see all the details here: http://www.mcps-prs-alliance.co.uk
 
In the US things are a little easier.  the Harry Fox agency (http://www.harryfox.com/index.jsp) handle things painlessly on behalf of most publishers and you can even pay by credit card online.
 
Other countries have similar schemes.  You will have to research it for yourself.
 
But basically.  If you are going to present a version of someone's music in any form, CD, MP3, stream, wax cylinder, or crystalline lattice memory player... THAT SOMEONE IS DUE A CUT, AND NEEDS TO GET PAID.
 
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Points: 14693 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2007 at 08:59
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

Vatican is out.... this means the padres can record Black Sabbath and give nothing to Ozzy & Co. Evil%20Smile

 

Vatican is not part of the UN (To avoid political participation), but it's a nation and have signed the WIPO (World Intellectual Property Organization), you can find them in the above list as Holy See.

 

Even more, The Holy See signed the WIPO in 1975, so was one of the first countries toi do it.

 

So, no you can't copy Black Sabbath neither Hells Bells by AC/DC Wink

 

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How does this affect the UK's own Cliff Richard, who recorded a cover version of 'The Lord's Prayer' a couple of years ago? Would he have to obtain permission from the one and living God, or being a Christian himself, is consent implicit?

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Points: 2808 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2007 at 09:06
I misread the title of this thread and thought it said "cover without a penis"

But it didn't, so no alarms.
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Points: 613 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2007 at 16:14
I'm sorry, but that's the sort of law which can f*ck right off. I'm sure no artists mind their songs being covered by pub bands, and why is that a problem to anyone? It's just another example of money-greedy record companies trying to rip people off.
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Points: 19557 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 13 2007 at 18:57
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:



How does this affect the UK's own Cliff Richard, who recorded a cover version of 'The Lord's Prayer' a couple of years ago? Would he have to obtain permission from the one and living God, or being a Christian himself, is consent implicit?
 
Well, it's hard because the limit for an artistic material to be public domain is 120 years after the death of the author.
 
Independently that Jesus resurrected, his official dead was in 33 AD, so the official date in which the Lord's Prayer becomes public domain is 158 AD Wink
 
BTW: I don't believe that Israel or Rome had signed WIPO or Berne Conventions in 32 or 31 AD,. To be honest I doubt Jesius copyrighted the prayer because in those days there was no copyright. LOL
 
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