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eddietrooper
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Posted: March 05 2007 at 16:59 |
If you notice my nickname you'll realize that I'm a "Trooper" and not a "Generator", but still I consider YesWest as a good artsy 80's rock band. 90125 was fresh and exciting and rather progressive for its time (specially my favorite track, "Changes"). Big Generator was weaker and Talk included two great tracks (The Calling and Endless Dream) but also some uninteresting ones. Rabin was an incredible guitar player, more skilled than Howe from a technical pont of view, and rather creative and emotional as well...
...But of course, classic Yes were sooooooo much better !!!
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chopper
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Posted: March 05 2007 at 17:00 |
yarstruly wrote:
progismylife wrote:
Listening to Big Generator. Wow this sounds a whole lot better than I remember. |
That is a very underrate album IMHO...no it isn't like CTTE, etc....but songs like I'm Running, Final Eyes, Shoot High Aim Low, Holy Lamb and even the hits (Rhythm of Love, Love Will Find a Way) are very good! I'm Running is something of a mid-80s mini epic.... |
Way-hay, I'm glad someone else has finally recognised this.
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alan_pfeifer
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Posted: March 05 2007 at 18:39 |
I'm happy with what Yes did with Rabin. He was the right thing for Anderson and the rest of the guys to add to create dynamic and quality new music (much like Belew did with KC.)
I don't understand why people hate this version of Yes. It's just as good as the old ones.
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E-Dub
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Posted: March 05 2007 at 19:16 |
Man, is it good to see a positive thread regarding the Trevor Rabin era of Yes. I've seen them just raked over the coals on PA; but, that was the era that got me into Yes. Just like a previous post, I worked my way backwards with 90125 and I wonder how many other people did the same thing. People come down hard on it; however, that particular period may have brought Yes into the lives of a lot of people who may have otherwise never given them a second thought.
As for the albums, I love both 90125 and Talk. Big Generator is OK, but bookended are two amazing discs, in my opinion. Talk is VERY underrated in my book.
Nice thread!!!!
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Fragile
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Posted: March 05 2007 at 19:48 |
Eh definately naw,have tried to like this version of Yes, it will never be Yes.Dress it up whichever way you want ;West Yes,American Yes, it just isn't Yes.The only redeeming feature is the great man singing.
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FragileDT
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Posted: March 05 2007 at 23:11 |
I HATE that cheesy 80s sound that almost every band had. I didn't think Yes could've fallen off more after the masterpiece of "DRAMA." (even though it wasn't really the same band. At all.) Terrible stuff IMO. Yet I still bought them all.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: March 05 2007 at 23:16 |
FragileDT wrote:
I HATE that cheesy 80s sound that almost every band had. I didn't think Yes could've fallen off more after the masterpiece of "DRAMA." (even though it wasn't really the same band. At all.) Terrible stuff IMO. Yet I still bought them all. |
I only bought 90125 the day it was released in Perú and changed it with a friend for Bat Ouit of Hell after 2 or 3 days.
Heard Big Generator and simply couldn't resist it.
Iván
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bhikkhu
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Posted: March 05 2007 at 23:24 |
I liked "90125" then, and I still do now (although not quite as much). "Big Generator" was a huge disappointment, and I consider it the weakest album to bear the name Yes.
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Nipsey88
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Posted: March 06 2007 at 00:04 |
I had just gotten into "classic Yes" (the era not the album) just before 90125 came out, so when I first heard it, I was primed to be a fan (was also the first time I got to see Yes live). While I certainly agree that the best albums from this band were the usual suspects (TYA, Fragile, TFTO, CTTE, Relayer (my personal fave)), I also have a soft spot in my heart for the Rabin era albums. Kinda lost track of them after Talk, (although did see ABWH live...great!) my interest was renewed in the late 90's when they started playing more "classic" (Revealing Science live...so sweet) stuff live, and Magnifiaction sealed the deal.
All in all, a band that has the staying power of over 30 years is gonna go through changes (pun intended), and if you judge each work on its own merit rather than as a comparison to CttE, you may be pleasantly surprised.
Just my two cents.
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iguana
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Posted: March 06 2007 at 03:21 |
I only bought 90125 the day it was released in Perú and changed it with a friend for Bat Ouit of Hell after 2 or 3 days.
Iván [/QUOTE]
gosh, i feel sorry for you...
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progressive rock and rural tranquility don't match. true or false?
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fuxi
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Posted: March 06 2007 at 03:46 |
Well I never!
Lots of Trevor Rabin fans coming out of the closet, all of a sudden!
Terribly sorry, folks, but I could never STAND the guy, no matter how great a virtuoso (???) he might be. Horrible playing, horrible singing!
Rabid Rabin-era Yes? 'We hates them!'
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Chris S
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Posted: March 06 2007 at 04:54 |
Great thread!
Union is the worst of the bunch but if it were not for the Rabin/Squire energy Yes may have disbanded totally in the 80's. I do think Talk has the upper edge and Rabin managed to give a harder feel to the band when many other bands went real gaga on electronic stuff...Jethro Tull - A; Rush - Power Windows, Tangerine dream evolving to ennui to name but a few!!! Rabin is OK
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 06 2007 at 05:31 |
fuxi wrote:
Well I never!
Lots of Trevor Rabin fans coming out of the closet, all of a sudden!
Terribly sorry, folks, but I could never STAND the guy, no matter how great a virtuoso (???) he might be. Horrible playing, horrible singing!
Rabid Rabin-era Yes? 'We hates them!' |
I rather like Rabins singing and as a guitarist I find him rather exceptional.
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iguana
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Posted: March 06 2007 at 06:22 |
I rather like Rabins singing and as a guitarist I find him rather exceptional. [/QUOTE]
great singer & musician – bit generic at times though.
YesWest to me wasn't just one guy – rabin was certainly important and
a catalyst to so many things, but it was the sum of its parts.
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progressive rock and rural tranquility don't match. true or false?
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salmacis
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Posted: March 06 2007 at 06:31 |
This period of Yes seems to be a bit dubious to Jon Anderson- in an interview with Anderson I have, he expressed some bitterness over Trevor Rabin's supposed dominance. Even Trevor Horn, the producer, said that Rabin had been very forceful and the dynamic was affected. However, I believe Rabin and Rick Wakeman are good friends.
I had a solo album of Trevor Rabin called 'Wolf' produced by Ray Davies of The Kinks. Pretty decent AOR/melodic rock album- sort of hinted at that 'YesWest' sound, I seem to recall...
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MorgothSunshine
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Posted: March 06 2007 at 08:05 |
I think Big Generator is damn good!
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frippster
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Posted: March 06 2007 at 13:06 |
I like the Rabin trilogy, especially as stand alone works. 90210 is quite good, Big Generator has some very good moments mixed with some crap, also does Talk, which in my opinion has better parts and worse parts than its predecessor. I do prefer the classic era, but these 3 records are good.
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Norbert
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Posted: March 06 2007 at 13:31 |
Well, the Rabin-era is hardly the best period for Yes, but 90125 is not bad at all.
It's not CTTE , Relayer or whatever your favourite Yes album is, but it doesn't suck.
I would not surely give it for a Meat Loaf album .
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The Green Tank
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Posted: March 06 2007 at 18:16 |
Every era of Yes has it's highs and it's lows. I like the rabin era as much as any other era. There's still tons of truly enjoyable music to be found.
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E-Dub
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Posted: March 06 2007 at 20:01 |
frippster wrote:
I like the Rabin trilogy, especially as stand alone works. 90210 is quite good, Big Generator has some very good moments mixed with some crap, also does Talk, which in my opinion has better parts and worse parts than its predecessor. I do prefer the classic era, but these 3 records are good. |
Man, that avatar could be the best one yet.
Now to Yes: Talk is such an underrated disc, in my opinion. I think it's more consistent than Big Generator by leaps and bounds. Better produced, too. I keep forgetting to drag that out, but I might have to tomorrow. Love that disc.
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