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dwill123
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Posted: February 23 2007 at 14:11 |
I like both but cds are just more convienent to have and use.
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Mandrakeroot
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Posted: February 23 2007 at 14:58 |
2nd option.
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Philéas
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Posted: February 23 2007 at 15:54 |
I like both equally, I think. I'm not sure.
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: February 23 2007 at 16:13 |
Shortly after the invention of the DVD I sold 80% of my progrock vinyl collection (many hundreds LP's) in order to get money for buying CD's. I have to say that in general the sound quality of CD's is better than LP's and very important: no scratches and other irritating noises! But gradually I started to miss the seize of the LP cover, especially while playing albums like The Wall, The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, early Marillion (Mark Wilkinson) and of course the Roger Dean cover from Seventies Yes.
For me prog is a kind of holistic experience of the senses: I am carried away to an extra dimension when, for example, I listen to The Lamb or The Wall and I look at the lyrics and pictures, a magical experience ![Approve](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley14.gif) So a few years ago I started to buy second hand progrock LP's from Yes, ELP and Genesis because I was fed up with looking at those small CD covers, I longed for the unsurpassed visual LP experience. Nowadays I look at the LP covers while I listen to the CD version ![Wink](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
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bsurmano
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Posted: February 23 2007 at 16:40 |
Since I've grown up with vinyls they are my first choice. Those big gatefold sleeves (some of them real art works) and warm analog sound are the crucial reasons. Luckily, with the appearance of CD I didn't cast away my record collection of which I'm very proud ( while I'm writing this I'm just listening to Black Sabbath's 'Paranoid' LP on first pressing Vertigo 'swirl' label ! ).
Although my rare choice, CDs attract my attention due to bonus tracks they regularly offer.
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heavyhery
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Posted: February 23 2007 at 18:09 |
i threw away hundreds of vinyl because i got them in cds. today curse the day i did that.Miss them
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: February 23 2007 at 18:43 |
Back in the vinyl age I would always record to cassette whenever I got a new one to keep them fresh from damage. Still, vinyls are too easy to harm. When the CD age came around I was thrilled. No more scratch and dust sounds sounds! I still have all my vinyls and have even transferred some that haven't come out on CD to CD. But I still have everything I ever bought. I'd love to find a good home for the ones that I don't need to hang on to for either album cover art or lack of issue on CD as I am running out of room for my CDs and DVDs.
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Froth
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Posted: February 23 2007 at 20:20 |
its weird. i think that vinyl are nice to own as a materialistic thing but musically cds are better. bands i really hold close to my heart like henry cow, national health and hatfield, id rather have on cd but then again, its nice to have some dead good vinyll. i found in the wake of poseidon on vinyll the other day and i were dead pleased. but i mainly buy vinyll cos right, the're cheaper than cds.
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Mikerinos
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Posted: February 23 2007 at 21:05 |
I have about 250 CDs and 50 vinyls. Both have pros and cons, I slightly prefer CDs because of convenience. Itt really depends, though, there are certain albums I would much rather own on vinyl than CD for one reason or another.
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Posted: February 23 2007 at 22:55 |
As many have noted, CDs do have a certain convenience to them. You have a remote at home , or in you car, buttons that allow you to skip, program, return automatically; whcih is something LPs really had. I still buy vinyl at my local second hand shop, mostly the obscure or hard to find stuff that I've read about in these pages. If they're any good, I'll burn them to a CD. Now there is one advantage to LPs vs CDs - properly cared for, LPs do not suffer from degradation over time, whereas CDs do (pinpricks ...) . So if you were sure to have a turntable, the best thing would be to keep buying the vinyl, burn it to CD, store your LP. That way when your CD copy deteriorates to the point you cannot listen to it anymore, you redo the process, transferring the music to the current sound format, just as people once did with cassettes.
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Masque
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Posted: February 23 2007 at 23:40 |
Surely when you put on lets say "Close to the edge" or "Thick as a brick" on vinyl and you sit back in your comfortable chair with the big album cover in your hands you must feel like you are experiencing it as it was meant to be ! even if the sound isn`t as good as CD its still the real deal rendered the way it was meant to be ... its a bit like driving a classic old car compared to a new car there's that timeless beauty about history about driving old cars.. they are not as high performance but they have something extra new cars don`t . To think we can enjoy a prog LP the same way those prog hippies did back in the late 60`s early 70`s ... don`t pass up this opportunity just because of technology you could be denying yourself a window into the very place prog was born. When you think about some of us prog heads contradict ourselves we winge and moan if a prog band uses digital keyboards secretly we want to see the names ... Arp .. Moog or Hammond mentioned and not definitely 80`s digital keys like Yamaha d X 7 .. so we crave the analogue in our prog but many of us reject vinyl records ... interesting
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Chris S
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Posted: February 24 2007 at 04:16 |
Come On!!!
Nothing beats the interractiveness of vinyl, nothing ever will. It was a time all to itself, encapsulating adventure, artwork, naivety, the best prog music of all time, studying credits, dusting vinyls....and onwards.
The digital age will continue to make music access more clinical. This doesn't mean the music is worse just more camourflaged...harder to find. Analogue showed everything wonderful warts and all, CD's and onwards gave us more all round sound but removed just a tiny bit of intimacy that vinyl shares.
I'm guilty of letting turnatable lapse, disgusting...no excuses!
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chessman
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Posted: February 24 2007 at 10:47 |
I voted for about the same.
I always loved the sound of vinyl, and even liked the odd crackle and pop! It all added to the warmth and character, I felt.
But I do love the sound of a good cd. And it doesn't need replacing like vinyl did occasionally!
So, about equal, though, for practical purposes, I would just nudge cds ahead. ![Smile](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif)
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 24 2007 at 10:52 |
I prefer CD for many reasons, but I bought a vinyl player and some vinyls last year for "nostalgia".
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andu
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Posted: February 24 2007 at 10:52 |
At this time I am chasing old vinyls at antique shops because I want to submit here some local bands from the 70s... However I would choose the CD instead of a vinyl disc anytime, anywhere.
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Kid-A
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Posted: February 24 2007 at 11:40 |
CD's, vinyls just crackle too much, although they are pretty cool.
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Rodolfo
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Posted: February 24 2007 at 15:42 |
For sound quality, I must say that vinyl records are ages behind CD's But I agree with those of you who said that art cover is a good reason to keep you old LP's on a shelf.
Rodolfo
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Philéas
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Posted: February 25 2007 at 06:58 |
Regarding sound quality, my experience tells me that it isn't as simple as "vinyl sounds better than CD" or "CD sounds better than vinyl".
What sounds best depends on the state of the vinyl record one's comparing to the CD version (if it's very worn it often sounds bad, if it's in good condition it often sounds very good), on whether the CD has been given a decent remastering or not, on the equipment used and last but definitely not least on which expectations one has. If one expects the CD to sound better, it probably will to one's own ears.
My expectations are fairly neutral, but I'm leaning a little bit to the vinyl side of things. I use decent equipment (not cheap but not very expensive either, no audiophile stuff), and to my ears some of the vinyls in my collection sound a lot better than the CD
version of the same album, and some CDs sound a lot better than the vinyl
version.
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BroSpence
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Posted: March 08 2007 at 21:48 |
I have a slight preference to vinyl, but I do love my Cds.
I prefer my LPs because they are so beautfiul. haha...well they're big
and the art work is so nice to look at usually. The sound of a record
has a personal characteristic that all the digital forms are missing.
The sound captures me, it is warm and cozy, I love the cracks and pops
that may effect some vinyls more than others, and there's nothing like
the anticipation of waiting to get home to listen to a specific album
or record that is a favorite or just hasn't quite hit the ears yet.
There's also the wonderful time that can be spent staring at all the
albums in a record store. I don't want to spend hours online looking
at albums on Itunes, I want to spend a whole day at a record store.
I don't really care about carrying my collection with me because I have
my car which plays Cds quite nicely, computers and stereos seem to be
near by everywhere, or I'm working or in class and shouldn't be
worrying about those things.
With CDs
they cleaned everything up. Everything became crystal clear which is
good in some cases, but in others (especially with a bad producer and
bad engieer) the sound becomes flat and dull. The album doesn't come
to life. However, with the good recordings on CD it allows for a very
full sound that could easily knock one's ears off. I'm thinking
specifically with drums and bass tracks that are mixed so well they
could be in the room or car with you (as could the other instruments,
but I tend to listen closely to bass and drums first). This quality
can be had on LPs too, but there is still a differenece. The liner
notes became slightly more extensive with CDs than with LPs which I
like a lot because I want to know who did what on an album. I also
like to hear stories behind the album (which is why the Rhino releases
of the Elvis Costello recording are so awesome. Costello wrote the
notes and they are about 5-6 pages in length).
This Ipod/Itunes age sucks.
The case with
Itunes is that I feel like everything that was so interesting and
wonderful about the previous recording medias is gone. I could pay 5-9
bucks for an album on itunes, where I will have whatever number of
recordings on my computer (which I could later burn onto a cheap CD-R)
and some .jpeg images, or I could pay between $3-$20 for a new or used
vinyl or CD. I'll take the vinyl/Cd. Itunes also bothers me because
it tends to promote the downloading of individual songs instead of
entire albums, and with this kind of promotion I feel the art of making
an album will die (or at least suffer greatly). The record companies
are worried about their business failing because people are illegally
downloading albums, but I believe they could help fix the problem by
putting out and scouting for artists that are actually good at what
they do, instead of putting out another clone of a previous
terrible pop star, or new or used.
I was furious to find that
Itunes offers the Starsailor album by Tim Buckley. Not only is it "out
of print", the only copies around cost over $150. If it is available
on Itunes why not rerelease it on CD!
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Chris H
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Posted: March 08 2007 at 21:51 |
BroSpence wrote:
I have a slight preference to vinyl, but I do love my Cds.
I prefer my LPs because they are so beautfiul. haha...well they're big and the art work is so nice to look at usually. The sound of a record has a personal characteristic that all the digital forms are missing. The sound captures me, it is warm and cozy, I love the cracks and pops that may effect some vinyls more than others, and there's nothing like the anticipation of waiting to get home to listen to a specific album or record that is a favorite or just hasn't quite hit the ears yet. There's also the wonderful time that can be spent staring at all the albums in a record store. I don't want to spend hours online looking at albums on Itunes, I want to spend a whole day at a record store. I don't really care about carrying my collection with me because I have my car which plays Cds quite nicely, computers and stereos seem to be near by everywhere, or I'm working or in class and shouldn't be worrying about those things.
With CDs they cleaned everything up. Everything became crystal clear which is good in some cases, but in others (especially with a bad producer and bad engieer) the sound becomes flat and dull. The album doesn't come to life. However, with the good recordings on CD it allows for a very full sound that could easily knock one's ears off. I'm thinking specifically with drums and bass tracks that are mixed so well they could be in the room or car with you (as could the other instruments, but I tend to listen closely to bass and drums first). This quality can be had on LPs too, but there is still a differenece. The liner notes became slightly more extensive with CDs than with LPs which I like a lot because I want to know who did what on an album. I also like to hear stories behind the album (which is why the Rhino releases of the Elvis Costello recording are so awesome. Costello wrote the notes and they are about 5-6 pages in length).
This Ipod/Itunes age sucks.
The case with Itunes is that I feel like everything that was so interesting and wonderful about the previous recording medias is gone. I could pay 5-9 bucks for an album on itunes, where I will have whatever number of recordings on my computer (which I could later burn onto a cheap CD-R) and some .jpeg images, or I could pay between $3-$20 for a new or used vinyl or CD. I'll take the vinyl/Cd. Itunes also bothers me because it tends to promote the downloading of individual songs instead of entire albums, and with this kind of promotion I feel the art of making an album will die (or at least suffer greatly). The record companies are worried about their business failing because people are illegally downloading albums, but I believe they could help fix the problem by putting out and scouting for artists that are actually good at what they do, instead of putting out another clone of a previous terrible pop star, or new or used.
I was furious to find that Itunes offers the Starsailor album by Tim Buckley. Not only is it "out of print", the only copies around cost over $150. If it is available on Itunes why not rerelease it on CD!
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They have that on Itunes?
Holy hell!
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