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threefates 
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 Posted: January 19 2005 at 20:51 |
 Reed Lover wrote:
gdub411 wrote:
threefates wrote:
gdub411 wrote:
How you could define KE9 as a more complete piece when it is all disjointed, there are pauses in the music and such and Tarkus is just one song with no breaks. Also KE9 sometimes feeels like they asked thmmselves...What if we played it with just keyboard or slowed it down, etc....it is VERY experimental but still doesn't seem VERY cohesive...Great concept and works well with a concept album, but too disjointed when defined as a song.
My vote went to Tarkus.
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You're kidding me right... Tarkus has completely separate songs.. in stones of Years, mass, battlefield...aquatarkus... more separations than between the 3 parts of KE9...
KE9 is like watching an ice skating event... you start off with the slow beautiful skating with all the jumps.. then you enter that middle part which is all speedy footwork, then you have the ending climax which builds to a huge finale... except instead of applause... your computer explodes... Can't get more cohesive than that!! 
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Know your place Tf and go make me a sandwich.
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You need more practice Gdub.Try:
Hey Threefates, get your bitch ass in the kitchen and make me some pie!
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Your ass is already a pie...  Eat up!
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threefates
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Posted: January 19 2005 at 20:54 |
gdub411 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
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My ideal woman would be one with a flat head so I have somewhere to set my beer.
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No, your ideal woman would have balls!
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a chick with a d##k.....hmmm! Now there's a thought.
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No Gdub's ideal woman would be a man with big tits...
Course I've heard you've put some weight on, Reed, since this picture was taken... in your butt, no less...
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Abbath
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Posted: January 19 2005 at 21:19 |
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Tough choice, I mean you gotta love KE9 and the awsome theme! But
Tarkus just seems a bit more natural. I love the piano interlude in
KE9, but I must say it does seem a bit like the band said:
"Hey, we can play jazz right? Let's give the listeners a good 10 minute jazzy interlude, that'll show em'!".
But boy, are they ever both great songs.
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Posted: January 19 2005 at 21:25 |
threefates wrote:
gdub411 wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
gdub411 wrote:
My ideal woman would be one with a flat head so I have somewhere to set my beer.
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No, your ideal woman would have balls!
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a chick with a d##k.....hmmm! Now there's a thought.
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No Gdub's ideal woman would be a man with big tits...
Course I've heard you've put some weight on, Reed, since this picture was taken... in your butt, no less...
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damn that photo! Them's not breasts.......its ..err..... a pigeon chest????
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Posted: January 19 2005 at 21:47 |
Sweet shirt Reed Lover... although don't you think a bra would make it look better?
I'm surprised nobody mentioned Aquatarkus as a reason why they like
that epic better. I love that synth solo!! With the more rounded wah
synth sound in the right speaker and the more distorted one in the left
(if you hadn't noticed that check it out, its cool) and the slow
military drum cresendo... pure awesomeness.
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Posted: January 19 2005 at 21:51 |
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gdub411
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Posted: January 19 2005 at 22:32 |
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Anyways back to the topic..To me Karn Evil sounds like many songs all related to each other. Maybe there are 3 different topics on Tarkus, but Tarkus sounds like one complete piece, compared to many parts piecemealed together and lumped as one song. They wouldn't have given 8 impressions if it flowed like a standard song, now would they?
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Posted: January 19 2005 at 23:34 |
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Tarkus for me. I could listen to that all the time. Greg's voice is perfect throughout that whole song. Stones of Years is such an awesome section of that song the organ, bass and drums are all so perfect. An amazing track, I love the armadillo tank too, I think thats the coolest thing.
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Posted: January 19 2005 at 23:58 |
gdub411 wrote:
Anyways back to the topic..To me Karn Evil sounds like many songs all related to each other. Maybe there are 3 different topics on Tarkus, but Tarkus sounds like one complete piece, compared to many parts piecemealed together and lumped as one song. They wouldn't have given 8 impressions if it flowed like a standard song, now would they? |
Where'd 8 impressions come from?
Battlefield sounds nothing like Aquatarkus that comes afterwards... even less than the 2nd Impression sounds like the 3rd. The 3 Impressions are impressions of one song... no separate name or title... whereas the songs of Tarkus have completely different names... The first impression has 2 separate musical ideas that make up 1 Impression which sets the state of change thruout the piece..
However my love KE9 is probably based on the fact that since the BSS Tour, I've seen Tarkus performed at nearly every concert. But after that tour.. they never did the entire 3 Impressions together again. Just the 1st one. But watching all 3 Impressions done on the BSS tour, is one of the most spectacular things I've ever seen...
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richardh
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Posted: January 20 2005 at 02:48 |
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Karn Evil 9 is a much grander idea that explores a futuristic theme in 3 movements.Tarkus is a series of peices.By it's nature it's disjointed.The sum of the parts are not greater IMO.I'm genuinely surprised at some of the comments and the current poll result.I was getting a tad 'bored' with Tarkus even in my teens.It should be highly regarded of course as a ground breaking peice but KE9 has stood the test of time a lot better IMO.
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Posted: January 29 2005 at 08:11 |
This is an outragious poll ok!
Brain salad surgery was a an album to me that advanced the bands style years over night...I do listern to BSS a hell of a lot more than i do Tarkus,but have a kinda preference to Tarkus,not in a one better than the other way but i feel the BSS recording pretty poor compared to the older albums that kinda irritates me a bit.But @ the end of the day i'm not gonna compare no way..
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gdub411
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Posted: January 29 2005 at 10:25 |
The proof of Tarkus's superiority lies in the results of the poll.
While polls cannot be truly guaged here, I cannot see why anyone would be so obsessed with pushing one song over the other...since we're arguing the same band afterall.
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Posted: January 29 2005 at 12:31 |
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I dont think i can vote lol.....i think both KE9 and Tarkus are progressive rock masterpieces. Both never cease to amaze me when i hear them...and i have listened to them MANY times lol....but i couldn't vote one above the other....
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Posted: August 10 2005 at 03:24 |
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Tarkus for me ... I never lose interest in any part of it ... even though KE9 probably has more variations, there are also parts where I lose interest ... sometimes
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Posted: August 10 2005 at 03:34 |
difficult poll
i'm not going to vote.
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Posted: August 10 2005 at 03:51 |
Wizard/TRueStar wrote:
The version of Tarkus on Ladies and Gentlemen gets my vote!
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Mine too! It is totally awesome, both vocally and instrumentally. But KE9 comes a very close second...
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Posted: August 10 2005 at 05:35 |
Karn Evil 9!!!! Duh
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Posted: August 10 2005 at 06:28 |
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Tarkus is my choice...
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Posted: August 10 2005 at 17:50 |
Can't decide!!!! They are both amazing pieces of music!!!!
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Posted: August 11 2005 at 10:39 |
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Tarkus!
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