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WaywardSon 
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Joined: April 23 2006 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 2537 |
 Posted: October 21 2006 at 19:08 |
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I saw this review which was quite interesting... Also this categorization
They could easily be put in Prog Related too. Edited by WaywardSon - October 21 2006 at 19:09 |
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WaywardSon
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Joined: April 23 2006 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 2537 |
Posted: October 21 2006 at 19:18 |
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Really, if we are considering Led Zeppelin´s inclusion, based on a few songs, I feel that it is only fair Sabbath be considered.
Sorry, double posted
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ResidentAlien
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Joined: January 17 2006 Status: Offline Points: 441 |
Posted: October 22 2006 at 02:22 |
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Bah, ridiculous conclusion. Since one band that doesn't much belong here is added, another that also doesn't belong should be added as well? No. Definitely not. |
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toolis
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Joined: April 26 2006 Location: MacedoniaGreece Status: Offline Points: 1678 |
Posted: October 22 2006 at 02:33 |
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Black Sabbath influenced EVERYONE in rock and metal of any kind and any genre... does this justify their inclusion here? don't think so.. if we follow this thought, there should be a lot of blues in here, since it was the genre that started everything... |
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-music is like pornography...
sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
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Australian
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Joined: June 13 2006 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 3278 |
Posted: October 22 2006 at 02:44 |
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Led Zeppelin isn’t being added I believe, so that excuse is used up. Also the inclusion of Iron Maiden excuse has been so overused it isn’t valid anymore. NO!!!
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toolis
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Joined: April 26 2006 Location: MacedoniaGreece Status: Offline Points: 1678 |
Posted: October 22 2006 at 02:49 |
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^that's true about IM... but, it is indicative of how a "mistake" like inclusion of classic rock/metal bands can be used to suggest other irrelevant bands...
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-music is like pornography...
sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
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ResidentAlien
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Posted: October 22 2006 at 02:49 |
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Led Zeppelin is being added.
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=26906&PN=2 |
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Australian
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Joined: June 13 2006 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 3278 |
Posted: October 22 2006 at 02:56 |
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They are? Here we go... I don’t understand why bands are being added and put under “prog-related” then some collabs insist that bands under prog-related aren’t progressive. If they aren’t progressive, why are they on this site?
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ResidentAlien
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Posted: October 22 2006 at 02:58 |
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Exactly. |
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Australian
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Posted: October 22 2006 at 03:00 |
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I guess this is M@X’s doing because he has the final say over everything. |
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toolis
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Joined: April 26 2006 Location: MacedoniaGreece Status: Offline Points: 1678 |
Posted: October 22 2006 at 03:01 |
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^seems that there isn't unanimity but probably the majority votes for these kinds of inclusions... and it's fair cause not all people can agree with the same point of view..
Edited by toolis - October 22 2006 at 03:06 |
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-music is like pornography...
sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
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Australian
Prog Reviewer
Joined: June 13 2006 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 3278 |
Posted: October 22 2006 at 03:06 |
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I know that Santana is being added (I'm not sure who is supposed to be writing the bio...) I can accept that. Not sure about Zeppelin though, they are out of place here, even if they are in the prog-but-not-prog-at the same time genre. |
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Philéas
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Joined: June 14 2006 Status: Offline Points: 6419 |
Posted: October 22 2006 at 05:53 |
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See now why Prog Related and Proto-Prog are evil categories? They fill the site with non-Prog bands.
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toolis
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Joined: April 26 2006 Location: MacedoniaGreece Status: Offline Points: 1678 |
Posted: October 22 2006 at 06:18 |
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^i wouldn't say "evil" but they could be excluded from the toplist...
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-music is like pornography...
sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
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Tony R
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11985 |
Posted: October 22 2006 at 06:21 |
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nobody interested in Prog Bands any more.
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toolis
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Joined: April 26 2006 Location: MacedoniaGreece Status: Offline Points: 1678 |
Posted: October 22 2006 at 06:24 |
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^oh,no no no... don't try to distract us with this... and opposing to inclusion of non prog related bands is actually showing interest in real prog bands... |
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-music is like pornography...
sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
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T.Rox
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 06 2004 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 9455 |
Posted: October 22 2006 at 10:16 |
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The first DT track I ever heard was "As I Am" and my immediate thought was Sabbath wanna-bes!
I have heard a lot more DT since then so I see this track as an unconcious (perhaps) tribute to Sabbath!
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"Without prog, life would be a mistake."
...with apologies to Friedrich Nietzsche |
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T.Rox
Special Collaborator
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Posted: October 22 2006 at 10:20 |
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Oh, yeah ... Sabbath don't belong in PA ... nor Zeppelin ... nor Iron Maiden ... nor Deep Purple! But that is just my view on the world
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"Without prog, life would be a mistake."
...with apologies to Friedrich Nietzsche |
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Philéas
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Posted: October 22 2006 at 14:59 |
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No, I share that view. And every Proghead should! |
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Ricochet
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Posted: October 22 2006 at 15:07 |
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this thread has lost its original point (though not entirely). proghairfunk asked the things for which Black Sabbath can't be in Prog Arcvhies.
After small rightfull answer, the thing deviated (again) in an occasion to discuss things like why Black Sabbath shouldn't be or should be to why bands like Led Zep are gonna be, bands like Iron Maiden and Deep Purple are, to the usual rough interpretation of Proto-Prog (meaning influences of progressive rock that existed previously the concrete period of Progressive Rock) and Prog-Related (meaning bands that are not prog, only progressive or are related by influencing, by alluding, etc.) same talk over and over again. |
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