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KeyserSoze
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Posted: October 14 2006 at 19:45 |
heyitsthatguy wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
Faith No More is/was a rap rock band injected with a little metal.
Nothing more. | Not entirely true, as evidenced on Angel Dust, that had some out of the ordinary and experimental stuff. Nowhere close to even get them in as "prog-related" though |
Further than Iron Maiden or Queen? I don't think so.
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mystic fred
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Posted: October 16 2006 at 08:10 |
KeyserSoze wrote:
Ok, now we have Iron Maiden in PA, why not Faith No More? Albums Angel Dust, King For A Day and Album Of The Year are progressive and they influenced many progrock bands. |
some very mixed opinions here, but will investigate. KeyserSoze could you elaborate on why this band should be included - any more info? but not coz IM are here - every band should only be considered on it own merits, not by comparison with another group !
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KeyserSoze
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Posted: October 17 2006 at 09:39 |
mystic fred wrote:
KeyserSoze wrote:
Ok, now we have Iron Maiden in PA, why not Faith No More? Albums Angel Dust, King For A Day and Album Of The Year are progressive and they influenced many progrock bands. |
some very mixed opinions here, but will investigate. KeyserSoze could you elaborate on why this band should be included - any more info? but not coz IM are here - every band should only be considered on it own merits, not by comparison with another group !
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Ok, I will listen to their discography and later this week I write why I think that they deserve to be here.
Edited by KeyserSoze - October 17 2006 at 09:45
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Posted: October 17 2006 at 09:59 |
Progressive, but only very slightly, and not enough to be included even as prog-related.
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Neil
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Posted: October 17 2006 at 10:07 |
Faith no More are not progressive rock.
You want it all but you can't have it It's in your face but you can't grab it
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When people get lost in thought it's often because it's unfamiliar territory.
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Trickster F.
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Posted: October 17 2006 at 12:03 |
Person 1: Well, since Iron Maiden here, Faith No More should as well!
Person 2: Well, really, what's their relation to prog?
Person 1: Give me a week, I'll listen to them and then tell you.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 17 2006 at 12:14 |
Heavyfreight wrote:
Faith no More are not progressive rock.
You want it all but you can't have it It's in your face but you can't grab it
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  Well, looking at the band list I think it's obvious that "being progressive rock" is not a requirement.
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Posted: October 17 2006 at 12:21 |
Trickster F. wrote:
Person 1: Well, since Iron Maiden here, Faith No More should as well!
Person 2: Well, really, what's their relation to prog?
Person 1: Give me a week, I'll listen to them and then tell you.
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SolariS
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Posted: October 17 2006 at 13:33 |
Some of my favorite bands are 'prog-related'. I think we should only include bands that I will like in that category.
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Posted: October 17 2006 at 13:48 |
Trickster F. wrote:
Person 1: Well, since Iron Maiden here, Faith No More should as well!
Person 2: Well, really, what's their relation to prog?
Person 1: Give me a week, I'll listen to them and then tell you.
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^ it's funny, but obviously you're misunderstanding him on purpose. Actually it makes much sense to argue on the basis of "X are here -> so should Y" ... most people who do so think that Y are at least as prog (or prog-related) as X. You shouldn't bash him for listening in more detail before giving detailed reasons for his opinion (I also hadn't listened to FnM for several months until I saw this thread).
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Trickster F.
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Posted: October 17 2006 at 13:59 |
I am not bashing anyone, Mike, I just find it funny that a person starts a case on a band, goes into an argument and then suddenly says, oh, you know, I need to listen to them a bit. No offense intended, I know many of us do it sometimes.
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KeyserSoze
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Posted: October 20 2006 at 09:20 |
A nice humor, Trickster, really, but as Mike said, I was reacting on mystic fred's appeal for elaborating on why this band should be included and I understood it as I must write out exact reasons besides everything I wrote about them. I haven't heard any Faith No More music for months, so now I need to listen to their albums closely, one by one and write down my perceptions. No, they aren't progressive rock but their music was definitely progressive and that's what I have been saying since I started this topic. So that was no opinion change but just an explanation why I'll be silent for some days. Anything else for making a joke on it?
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Posted: October 20 2006 at 09:42 |
KeyserSoze wrote:
A nice humor, Trickster, really, but as Mike said, I was reacting on mystic fred's appeal for elaborating on why this band should be included and I understood it as I must write out exact reasons besides everything I wrote about them. I haven't heard any Faith No More music for months, so now I need to listen to their albums closely, one by one and write down my perceptions. No, they aren't progressive rock but their music was definitely progressive and that's what I have been saying since I started this topic. So that was no opinion change but just an explanation why I'll be silent for some days. Anything else for making a joke on it? |
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 12:55 |
this is outrageous.... go ahead, include metallica already while you're at it... I may point out that this is the first NU-METAL band I've heard.... They probably had some experimental stuff, but many metal bands have experimental sides. Led Zeppelin had, so had Black Sabbath.... they shouldn't even be prog related.
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 16:52 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
Faith No More is/was a rap rock band injected with a little metal.
Nothing more. |
And Iron Maiden is nothing more than a ... heavy metal band. PA is the only prog sites to list Iron Maide as a prog band.
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Trickster F.
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 16:54 |
lucas wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
Faith No More is/was a rap rock band injected with a little metal.
Nothing more. |
And Iron Maiden is nothing more than a ... heavy metal band. PA is the only prog sites to list Iron Maide as a prog band. |
^ No, not really. There has been a long discussion about Iron Maiden being added, and one of the arguments IN FAVOUR OF IT was that many others respectable prog sites list them as well.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 16:57 |
lucas wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
Faith No More is/was a rap rock band injected with a little metal. Nothing more. |
And Iron Maiden is nothing more than a ... heavy metal band. PA is the only prog sites to list Iron Maide as a prog band. |
We DO NOT list them as a prog band Lucas.
They are a prog related band,and if you don't undertsand that classification you might want to read the definition for that genre.
If people can add bands that were a huge influence on progressive rock why can't a band be listed that was a HUGE influence on the development of progressive metal??????????????????????????????????
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 17:16 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
[QUOTE=lucas] [QUOTE=TheProgtologist]
If people can add bands that were a huge influence on progressive rock why can't a band be listed that was a HUGE influence on the development of progressive metal??????????????????????????????????
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Many progressive metal bands take their roots in Metallica, who are not here. How do you account for that fact. They are on the following prog sites : Progressor, the german babyblaue prog site, ground and sky, Gnosis.
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Posted: October 26 2006 at 17:23 |
lucas wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
[QUOTE=lucas] [QUOTE=TheProgtologist]If people can add bands that were a huge influence on progressive rock why can't a band be listed that was a HUGE influence on the development of progressive metal?????????????????????????????????? |
Many progressive metal bands take their roots in Metallica, who are not here. How do you account for that fact. They are on the following prog sites : Progressor, the german babyblaue prog site, ground and sky, Gnosis. |
I will absolutely not take part in a debate about IM and if they are prog or if they should be here.I did enough of that after they were added.I only responded to your post because you(like 99% of the people here),seem to think their inclusion means they are prog.
As for Metallica,imo they are a thrash band that had a couple of borderline proggy tunes on Master of Puppets and And Justice for All.I will not deny they had an influence on prog metal,but not as much as IM.
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Posted: January 03 2007 at 11:37 |
Perhaps a bit late on this one, but I think FNM deserve to be included as prog related because of their versatility and their majestic Angel dust, King for a day and Album of the year albums. it is true they were close to the much maligned rap-metal cliche, but quickly developed beyond it which resulted in decreasing popularity in the States. Their clever arrangements and heavy usage of keyboards also made them unique and hard to label (but close to prog). They had (mini) epics such as The real thing, Land of sunshine, King for a day, Stripsearch, Ashes to ashes, Ricochet; also some very unrap/unmetal weird songs such as the waltzing RV, the rnb Evidence and She loves me not, the gospel alike Just a man, the funky-brass Star AD, etc. Just because they are not as experimental as Mr Bungle and Fantomas (how many bands are?) doesn't mean they do not deserve to be here, bands should be judged by their own merit, right?
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